Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of programs broadcast by Spike

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I have serious concerns about this article. Wikipedia is not a TV program magazine. Moreover, there is an unreferenced section called " Movies shown on Spike". Eventually, all new films will be shown so this is equal to have a 2004-2008 film list. All important information is already om Spike (TV channel) and this a useless article. Creator's rationale for creating this article is "This list kept getting deleted from the Spike TV article, though I believe it is important to have a list of this nature available, since there are several shows that were originally first shown on this network that are now no longer on television at all, including several animated series, and some imports." (from the Talk page). Magioladitis (talk) 10:39, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

• Delete per WP:NOT, specifically not an indiscriminate list of information. This is fan trivia, possibly interesting but not notable and not encyclopedic, unless it's an encyclopedia of television or the like. Regarding the shows that were originally shown on Spike, that info could go in the Spike TV article.  Frank  |  talk  12:01, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
• Keep While I am sympathetic to the nomination, it is fairly well-established now that one of Wikipedia's goals is to be a TV Guide. See :Category:Lists_of_television_series_by_network. I agree that the content needs to be largely eliminated as unsourced, and would suggest that if it remains unsubstantiated, it be redirected back to the main Spike page. Eusebeus (talk) 13:15, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
• Comment If we decide to keep it, at least the Movies section should be deleted. -- Magioladitis (talk) 13:32, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
• Delete This is just silly. Madman (talk) 14:38, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
• Delete - This articles is just a very large list, which runs afoul of WP:NOT#DIR, specifically point 3, which mentions electronic program guides. Tnxman307 (talk) 16:01, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
• Delete The category Spike TV network shows simply needs to be expanded with links added, as this is simply the indiscriminate list of blue links. The lists are worse than useless. The dates aren't listed on the "former programming", and I'm not sure that the so-called "network for men" has been televising Alice, Cagney and Lacey and The Waltons in its less than five years as "Spike". The list of movies is just plain sad, even if the point is that these are manly man films -- besides the fact that nobody cares, Spike puts on a movie just about every day. Mandsford (talk) 16:19, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
• Comment The programs you mentioned aired during the network's time as The Nashville Network/New TNN. Nate • (chatter) 22:22, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
• Comment That's exactly what I figured. In answer to the question below, since there isn't any information about what aired when, I don't see how one can separate out the stuff from The Nashville Network and The National Network. It's a poorly written list. Mandsford (talk) 02:37, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
• Keep Keep the programs that aired on Spike, but cut the movies and anything that aired during the Nashville Network/TNN era. The only thing similar between the two is the satellite slot they took.Nate • (chatter) 22:24, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
• Categorize, without the movies this list is provides no added value, and is best handled as a category.-- danntm ^T _C 23:04, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
• Keep and improve. There is plenty of precedent for lists of programs aired on a national network, including the major broadcast networks: List of programs broadcast by CBS, List of programs broadcast by NBC, etc.; and cable/satellite networks: List of Sci Fi Channel (United States) programs, List of programs broadcast by Discovery Channel. See also Template:Lists of TV programs by country and Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Lists of programs broadcast by networks. This [http://thefutoncritic.com/showatch.aspx?series=&network=spike_tv&daycode=&statuscode=&genre=&studio= list] on The Futon Critic is a good source to verify this information as well as [http://news.google.com/archivesearch?q=%22Spike+TV%22+program many news sources]. The movies should be trimmed down to those which either were originally aired on or produced by Spike, or perhaps those where the Spike broadcast was notably important to the movie's popularity. DHowell (talk) 01:57, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
• Comment If anyone wants to start trying to improve the article (and the source identified by DHowell would be the means to do it), then I would strongly urge a keep. On the other hand, if nobody cares to try, let this one die a manly death. As we've seen, the person who first slapped this together didn't make the distinction between programs on "The Nashville Network" and the shows that actually were shown by "Spike", so this article was flawed from the start. Mandsford (talk) 15:21, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Television-related deletion discussions. -- Fabrictramp (talk) 00:14, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
• Keep - per WP:LIST, information and navigation. I figured I better do a little work after what Mandsfor said, so I added a few refs and cut the film section way down.[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_programs_broadcast_by_Spike&diff=211594853&oldid=211407182] - Peregrine Fisher (talk) 04:13, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
• Keep per User:Peregrine Fisher's cleanup. Matthew (talk) 08:07, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
• Keep - too many precedents to ignore here, but even after Peregrine Fisher's excellent work, there's more to do here. B.Wind (talk) 05:32, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

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