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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Lorenzo Zanetti

:The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. MBisanz talk 12:59, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

=[[Lorenzo Zanetti]]=

:{{la|Lorenzo Zanetti}} ([{{fullurl:Lorenzo Zanetti|wpReason={{urlencode: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Lorenzo Zanetti}}&action=delete}} delete]) – (View AfD)(View log)

Marginally or non-notable motorcycle racer, was marked for speedy-deletion but there was a claim of notability that made speedy-deletion inappropriate. There is also a claim on the article talk page that since there are 50+ inbound redlinks the article should stay. That may be grounds to ignore all rules and keep an article about a non- or barely-notable person. Unlike most AfDs I am abstaining from the keep/delete: I'm honestly not sure if Wikipedia would be better off with or without an article on this person.davidwr/(talk)/(contribs)/(e-mail) 05:10, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

  • Comment There seems to be a good deal of info about him at [http://news.google.com/archivesearch?q=%22Lorenzo+Zanetti%22+&btnG=Search+Archives&hl=en&ned=us Google News], though most of it is in Italian. Zagalejo^^^ 05:21, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

:*Comment Perhaps someone who reads Italian can find enough information to establish notability, and, concurrently, write a decent article about him for the Italian Wikipedia. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs)/(e-mail) 05:31, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

::*If he's truly notable, then he should have an article in every Wikipedia. That said, I don't know much about motorcycle racing, and I'm not sure how to judge the Italian sources, so I hope someone knowledgeable about this topic comes by soon. Zagalejo^^^ 06:01, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

  • Delete Regardless of how many inbound red links there are, this fails WP:BLP1E, WP:ATHLETE and WP:V. Ignoring WP:N on the basis of red links could pave the way for compromising notability requirements for other drivers in the future, this has already the case with baseball, any player with even a single major league at bat is eligible for inclusion, regardless of how short or insignificant it was. Mister Senseless™ (Speak - Contributions) 05:22, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

:*Comment I'm pretty certain Zanetti actually passes all those. Readro (talk) 12:28, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

  • Another comment: This is a racer of very minor notability. He's a 125cc racer, clocked some fast practice times in a couple of races, but really that's about it. Deleting might be the right way to go. Drmies (talk) 05:26, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

:*Comment Engine capacity does not determine notablity. The fact remains that he has competed multiple times at the top flight of motorcycle racing for that engine capacity. Readro (talk) 11:37, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

:*? I never said it did. I'm a Hans Spaan fan from way back when. Drmies (talk) 17:53, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

::*Comment Fair enough, I think I might have jumped to a conclusion there! Readro (talk) 19:00, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

Note: This discussion has been posted in the talk page for the Motorcycle racing Wikiproject. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs)/(e-mail) 05:37, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

  • Comment: I don't think the articles really fails the canons of notability, if he was a wildcard rider I'd agree but this is not the case. I think anyway that the article is not acceptable and should be deleted it if remains at its current state. With a detailed infobox and some more information on his past career I think it may be kept. Asendoh (talk) 09:04, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
  • Keep I don't see how the article fails on grounds of notability - he has competed multiple times at the top flight of motorcycle racing for that engine capacity. Readro (talk) 11:37, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
  • Keep. He's a professional international motorcycle racer and there seems to be plenty of coverage judging from Google/Google News searches.--Michig (talk) 12:03, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
  • Keep I quote WP:ATHLETE "Competitors who have competed in a fully professional league, or a competition of equivalent standing in a non-league sport such as swimming, golf or tennis". He appears to pass this. It would be useful to know more about the Honda Trophy which he won. PatGallacher (talk) 13:28, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

Note: The article underwent extensive expansion at 13:40, 9 November 2008. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs)/(e-mail) 14:40, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

  • Question Does anyone know for sure whether the Trofeo Honda 125GP is a fully professional league? Mister Senseless™ (Speak - Contributions) 20:22, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

:Since he's competed in 125cc MotoGPs, isn't that irrelevant for notability purposes?--Michig (talk) 20:32, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

:No, it's not fully professional. However, it is something that he has achieved and thus ought to be mentioned in the article. Given that he's competed in 125cc motorcycle Grands Prix then he is notable anyway. Readro (talk) 08:54, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

:The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.