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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Lucas Browne

:The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Mark Arsten (talk) 02:32, 10 February 2013 (UTC)

=[[Lucas Browne]]=

:{{la|Lucas Browne}} – (View AfDView log{{int:dot-separator}} [http://toolserver.org/~snottywong/cgi-bin/votecounter.cgi?page=Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Lucas_Browne Stats])

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As an MMA fighter he had no fights for a top tier organization, so he fails WP:NMMA. As a boxer, he fails to meet WP:NBOX. His title is from a minor organization, and not a world title at that, plus Boxrec currently ranks him 65th in the world. Finally, the article has no sources except for links to his MMA and boxing records. Papaursa (talk) 20:22, 26 January 2013 (UTC)

:Note: This debate has been included in the list of Martial arts-related deletion discussions. Papaursa (talk) 20:22, 26 January 2013 (UTC)

:Note: This debate has been included in the list of Australia-related deletion discussions. Grahame (talk) 00:30, 28 January 2013 (UTC)

  • Weak Keep The article needs some work but I would say his ranking as a boxer, world title and MMA fights combined deem him notable. WP:NMMA does not apply to boxers, not sure if you were aware of that Papaursa. Sepulwiki (talk) 23:12, 26 January 2013 (UTC)

::Of course WP:NMMA doesn't apply to boxers, but WP:NBOX does. The article claims he's both a boxer and MMA fighter, but he doesn't meet either notability criteria. Also, he doesn't hold a world title--he holds a regional title from a very minor organization. He clearly doesn't hold a world title from a major organization nor is ranked in the top 10 by Ring magazine. Papaursa (talk) 05:08, 28 January 2013 (UTC)

:::In fact, the World Boxing Foundation website [http://www.worldboxingfoundation.com/champions/current-wbf-regional-champions]says that Sakiusa Mekemeke is their Asia Pacific heavyweight champion (and he's had a total of 3 fights and 2 wins). Papaursa (talk) 21:30, 28 January 2013 (UTC)

  • Keep: An IP is continuously working to improve the article (it's a different thing they are continuously removing the AFD template too), but the references they have recently added/have been adding (for example [http://boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_id=489046&cat=boxer this] or [http://www.aus-boxing.com/tag/lucas-browne/ these] (his page links multiple articles) look good! I can see more mention in [http://www.eastsideboxing.com/weblog/news.php?p=30515&more=1 East Side Boxing], [http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast?a=d&d=EP19110520.2.10 Paper Past], [http://inner-west-courier.whereilive.com.au/sport/story/rhino-locks-horns/ News Local Inner West Courier], [http://www.news.com.au/sport/boxing-mma/big-hitters-lucas-browne-and-alex-leapai-on-collision-course/story-fndkzthy-1226535732405 news.com.au], [http://www.news.com.au/sport/boxing-mma/aussie-lucas-browne-stops-jason-gavern-in-three-in-hong-kong/story-fndkzthy-1226534966025 news.com.au] --Tito Dutta (talk) 16:09, 29 January 2013 (UTC)

:Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 18:27, 29 January 2013 (UTC)

  • Delete All of the coverage added falls under WP:ROUTINE--fight announcements, results, his record, etc. There is no significant coverage of him from independent sources. As the above IP pointed out--he doesn't meet any of the 3 possible notability criteria that would apply to him. Talk about resume padding--he's unbeaten and his last opponent has 67 losses. Mdtemp (talk) 20:52, 29 January 2013 (UTC)

:Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

:Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, MBisanz talk 21:53, 3 February 2013 (UTC)

  • Delete Fails WP:NMMA with no MMA fights in a top tier MMA organization. Fails WP:NBOX having never held a world title by the four major promotions, is not highly ranked in the world, and doesn't appear to have fought on a PPV. The article lacks prose establishing notability otherwise and the IP editor seems to be only adding stats (WP:NOTSTATSBOOK) and removing the AfD template. --TreyGeek (talk) 14:18, 4 February 2013 (UTC)
  • Delete Not seeing any convincing arguments from the keep camp. Addresses WP:NMMA but ignores WP:NBOX and the other is a WP:ROUTINE case. Mkdwtalk 01:48, 8 February 2013 (UTC)

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