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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Luke Remington

:The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Delete. --Angelo (talk) 08:28, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

=[[Luke Remington]]=

:{{la|Luke Remington}} ([{{fullurl:Luke Remington|wpReason={{urlencode: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Luke Remington}}&action=delete}} delete]) – (View AfD)(View log)

15 year old soccer player who claims to be an international soccer player, but obviously not in a notable competition. Grahame (talk) 02:18, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

  • Note: This debate has been included in the list of Australia-related deletion discussions. —Grahame (talk) 02:18, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
  • Delete. Fails WP:ATHLETE. WWGB (talk) 02:31, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
  • Note: This debate has been included in the list of Football-related deletion discussions. -- — LinguistAtLarge • Talk  03:58, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
  • Delete - actually he's only 14, so needless to say he hasn't played for the Australian national men's football team (if he had, he'd be the youngest full international player for any nation in history and I'd imagine that would have gained a smidgeon of press coverage). I believe he (as I'm guessing he created the article himself) is using "he played for Australia" in the sense of "he played for the Australian entrant in the tournament", but I don't think that playing briefly for Northern NSW in a kids' tournament conveys notability, even if said tourney does take place overseas..... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 08:01, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
  • Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football related deletions. ChrisTheDude (talk) 08:01, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
  • Delete as per above. May have played in a junior tournament overseas, but still does not meet WP:ATHLETE. Lankiveil (speak to me) 08:04, 15 April 2009 (UTC).
  • The following comment was placed on the talk page of this AfD by IP 220.253.73.246, I move it here for completeness -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 08:32, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
  • He's part of the u17 Joeys World Cup team, how is that not notable competition. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australia_national_under-17_football_team — Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.253.73.246 (talk • contribs)
  • No sign of him [http://www.footballaustralia.com.au/MensU17/default.aspx?s=aus_u17men_player_list on the roster for that team], can you provide proof that this 14-year old has played for the national under-17 team.....? -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 08:35, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

:::I've found [http://au.fourfourtwo.com/news/70119,northern-nsw-juniors-to-represent-australia.aspx this] and [http://www.ffsa.com.au/default.asp?ItemID=993&rcid=105&pcid=104&cid=105 this]. The first directly addresses the question. - Mgm|(talk) 10:08, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

::::The first link shows that the NNSW team was the Australian entrant to a tournament, it doesn't mean this player was actually selected to represent the actual Australian national team. The second link appears to show that he played for the national under-15 (not under-17) team, so I'll leave that out for people to decide if playing under-15 national football conveys notability. I've never seen an AfD in which it was decided that it did, and I personally don't think it does, so I'm sticking with my delete !vote -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 10:13, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

::::::Scroll down. Near the bottom it says:"The full list of selected players and touring officials are as follows." followed by the team and officials including Remington. - Mgm|(talk) 22:08, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

:::::::Correct, however all that proves is that he was on the Northern New South Wales team (not even a state XI, just a sub-state XI) which took part in a tournament overseas, which is what I stated earlier. Nowhere does it say that he was chosen for the Australian national team. However, the second link you posted does show that he was chosen for the Australian national team, so it's a moot point. So the remaining issue is whether or not playing for your country at under-15 level conveys inherent notability. I firmly believe it doesn't, so I onec again stand by my delete !vote -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 06:40, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

  • Delete Being picked in an Australian U-15 squad appears to be the height of his achievements to date. In my view that's short of WP:ATHLETE at this stage. Murtoa (talk) 11:11, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
  • yous are dickheads my brother and my cousin did it wen i wasnt home and they were being stupid, y take it so serious. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.253.73.246 (talk) 13:26, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
  • Speedy delete as hoax. GiantSnowman 16:50, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

::See my earlier comment and explain how a hoax can have reliable sources pointing to it... - Mgm|(talk) 22:08, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

  • Delete Definitely not a hoax, played 20 minutes against the Japan U15 team last week [http://www.footballaustralia.com.au/2009InsideFFA/default.aspx?s=insideffa_newsfeatures_newsitem_new&id=27146], but not enough to be notable (yet). Camw (talk) 09:36, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
  • Delete per nom. not enough to be notable as yet - only invitation tournament for local rep team. recreate if and when, but doesn't belong here just now.--ClubOranjeT 10:54, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
  • Delete. The creator of this article, User:Remington14 (talk), has made only one contribution to Wikipedia. Likely to be an autobiographical article, and therefore violates WP:COI. Dolphin51 (talk) 06:03, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

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