Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Lymbyc Systym

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Declined A7 nomination. However, still appears to fail WP:MUSIC. SchuminWeb (Talk) 17:52, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

I feel this article meet the criteria for a notable artist (WP:MUSIC) for the following reasons:

They have two releases on a notable indie label, Mush Records that has been active since 1997 and has a roster of notable artists including Busdriver, Daedelus, Her Space Holiday, cLOUDDEAD and Aesop Rock to name a few.

They toured internationally, including US, Canada and Japan.

They have collaborated and/or toured with several documented wiki artists, The Album Leaf, Daedelus, Dirty on Purpose, Eliot Lipp The One AM Radio, Her Space Holiday, etc.

The band has been featured in print and online in several respected Music Publications and media outlets, many with national/international distrobution.

Some are listed below:

http://www.urb.com/promotions/next1000/profile.php?BandId=68 URB Magazine

http://rcrdlbl.com/2008/04/11/exclusive_download_lymbyc_systym_love_your_abuser_remixed_and_spring_tour rcrdlbl.com

http://depts.washington.edu/kexp/blog/?p=2349 KEXP Podcast

http://www.spin.com/articles/one-am-radio-rises-higher-mercury Spin.com

http://www.livemusicblog.com/interviews/08/05/14/lymbyc-systym-jared-bell.php Live Music Blog

http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/2007-01-18/music/sound-systym/ Phoenix New Times

http://lineout.thestranger.com/2007/08/lymbyc_prairie_cortex Seattle Stranger

http://www.prefixmag.com/reviews/lymbyc-systym/love-your-abuser/15729/ Prefix Magazine

http://www.ravemagazine.com.au/content/view/2486/180/ Rave Magazine (Australia)

http://www.drownedinsound.com/articles/1602783 Drowned In Sound (UK)

http://www.popmatters.com/pm/music/reviews/9827/lymbyc-systym-love-your-abuser/ Pop Matters (UK)

http://www.xlr8r.com/mp3/2007/03/truth-skull XLR8R download

http://earplug.cc/78004 Earplug

http://lineout.thestranger.com/2008/05/go_huge_with_the_clavinet Seattle Stranger Interview

http://www.scenepointblank.com/reviews/1857 Scene Point Blank

http://remixmag.com/mag/remix_cd_reviews_47/index2.html Remix Magazine

http://www.thespacelab.tv/spaceLAB/2007/01January/MusicReview-13-LymbycSystym.htm Spacelab Review

http://www.lesinrocks.com/index.php?id=63&tx_critic%5Bcat%5D=11&tx_critic%5Bpointer2%5D=6&tx_critic%5Bpointer3%5D=5&tx_critic%5Bpointer1%5D=14&tx_critic%5Bnotule%5D=203236&tx_critic%5BbackPid%5D=52&cHash=919298ec87 lesinrock.com (France) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Fost01 (talk • contribs) 18:14, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

Fost01 (talk) 18:29, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Fost01 (talk) 18:19, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

• Strong Delete. Blatantly fails WP:MUSIC and WP:BAND. Looks like promotion, as do the comments above. Qworty (talk) 20:03, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

To continue the WP:MUSIC discussion, here is another part of the criteria that Lymbyc Systym meets.

"Notability is met if the musician has been the subject of a broadcast by a media network."

KEXP, dedicated a 30 minute segment to a Lymbyc Systym interview & live in-studio session, which you can read about & download here:

http://depts.washington.edu/kexp/blog/?p=2349 depts.washington.edu/kexp/blog/?p=2349

Fost01 (talk) 18:40, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

• Keep The group definitely meets WP:MUSIC; tons of press about them out there, as noted above. Chubbles (talk) 21:15, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

The Lymbyc Systym wiki page was edited to remove the elements that seemed promotional. It was made more concise, and only includes information that is documented by credible 3rd party sources (All Music Guide, Pitchfork, etc). Also, a list of sources was added.

I feel at this point, the page deserves recognition as a valid Wikipedia article.

Fost01 (talk) 17:26, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

Three of the sources are mushrecords.com, and many of the rest are of a self-created/user-contrib nature whereas anyone can submit their article/blog/opinions. R3ap3R.inc (talk) 17:53, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

I was referencing a new list of sources, at the bottom of the actual article. I'll repost them in this discussion page:

Sources

• [http://www.allmusicguide.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=11:jvfoxqqdldhe All Music Guide]
• [http://rcrdlbl.com/2008/04/11/exclusive_download_lymbyc_systym_love_your_abuser_remixed_and_spring_tour rcrdlbl.com]
• [http://www.pitchforkmedia.com/article/news/38834-the-album-leaf-tours-with-dirty-on-purpose Pitchfork Article]
• [http://www.pitchforkmedia.com/article/news/43644-montag-tours-iplacesi-with-yacht-au-revoir-simone Pitchfork Article]
• [http://prod1.cmj.com/articles/display_article.php?id=63047557 CMJ article]
• [http://www.spin.com/articles/one-am-radio-rises-higher-mercury Spin.com article]

I used these sources for the entire content of the revised article. All of these (All Music Guide, Spin.com, Pitchfork Media, College Music Journal, rcrdlbl.com) are widely used and respected music media sources. All of these are 3rd party sources, and link to their respective 3rd party web-sites. These same exact sources are used to accredit many of Wiki's band related articles.

As for the numerous sources listed near the top of the page; those were used to simply give an idea of the scope of the band, to wiki editors who are unfamiliar. But, in fact, most of those sources are in fact 3rd party, well-read, respected music news outlets, including the following:

KEXP.org, Livemusicblog.com, Phoenix New Times, Seattle Stranger, Prefix Magazine, Rave Magazine, Drowned In Sound, Pop Matters, XLR8R, Earplug, Remix Magazine

I believe your last comment about "three of the sources are mushrecords.com" refers to these sources:

Lodown Magazine, URB Magazine & Devil In The Woods Magazine

These do in fact link to mushrecords.com, but I simply posted them to show actual, scanned print articles about Lymbyc Systym. The actual sources are all internationally distributed music magazines, that one can by in a well-stocked Borders or Barnes & Noble.

The Urb Article is from the April 2007 issue of URB, which you can also read here, on URB's site:

http://www.urb.com/promotions/next1000/profile.php?BandId=68 urb.com/promotions/next1000/profile.php?BandId=68

For the sake of keeping the discussion on course, and having all the sources by 100% valid, I will change that link above in the discussion to URBs 3rd part site, and also delete the sources linking to Mushrecords.com.

As far as the comment "many of the rest (of the sources) are of a self-created/user-contrib nature whereas anyone can submit their article/blog/opinions", that is simply not true. As I already have shown above, all of the rest of the sources are 3rd party articles. Some simple research will show they can only be edited by the people who run the sites themselves. None of the sites listed are "user-contributed".

Fost01 (talk) 18:28, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

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