Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/MICIVIH

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Tagged for notability since 2010. At least one source looks to not be independent, which leads me to see this as not passing WP:GNG. UtherSRG (talk) 18:49, 28 June 2023 (UTC)

• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Politics and Haiti. UtherSRG (talk) 18:49, 28 June 2023 (UTC)
• Merge into List of United Nations peacekeeping missions. Deserves a mention but likely not a standalone article. - Indefensible (talk) 20:12, 28 June 2023 (UTC)
• Keep. Seems to be broad significant coverage in academia. (not exhaustive, just a part of the first page of google scholar results)
• (not independent, per below) [https://brill.com/display/book/edcoll/9789004481411/B9789004481411_s018.xml sigcov in a book, 9 citations]
• (not independent) [https://brill.com/display/book/edcoll/9789004479579/B9789004479579_s017.xml note on relation to truth commission, 11 citations]
• (appears independent) [https://www.ipinst.org/wp-content/uploads/publications/lessons_learned.pdf sigcov in a conference report, 9 citations]
• (appears independent) [https://www.proquest.com/openview/be206bfa5e661b49126c5fe16d7745b5/1?pq-origsite=gscholar&cbl=32034 seems to be sigcov, with a citation]

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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris ^talk! 05:24, 7 July 2023 (UTC)

• @User:Siroxo, I think some of those sources might be WP:PRIMARY. For example the 1st link is by a Colin Granderson, but he appears to have been the director of the subject according to https://sta.uwi.edu/iir/sites/default/files/iir/images/Flyer%20Tribute%20to%20Amb%20Colin%20Granderson%2C%20Monday%20June%2027%2C%202022.pdf. - Indefensible (talk) 06:42, 11 July 2023 (UTC)

::Thank you, @Indefensible! You are correct about that, and it seems the second one is by the deputy director. However as far as I can tell, the other two are independent. I think my !vote stays the same, as we have two sources and my BEFORE was not very exhaustive. I hadn't even looked into newspapers before and already found this: [https://books.google.com/books?id=rYxkAAAAIBAJ&pg=PA3&dq=micivih&article_id=1833,1384362&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwi0youRi4aAAxUSMDQIHQQnClUQ6AF6BAgHEAI#v=onepage&q=micivih&f=false][https://books.google.com/books?id=3E5bAAAAIBAJ&pg=PA11&dq=micivih&article_id=1321,4847689&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwi0youRi4aAAxUSMDQIHQQnClUQ6AF6BAgIEAI#v=onepage&q=micivih&f=false]. I am confident more journals and newspapers will turn up if needed. —siroχo 07:07, 11 July 2023 (UTC)

:::Not sure, I think [https://www.proquest.com/openview/be206bfa5e661b49126c5fe16d7745b5/1?pq-origsite=gscholar&cbl=32034 your 4th link] might be primary too since the author was a UN observer. Since the subject is a UN mission, I think sources from the UN might all be primary so we need non-UN coverage to support this. - Indefensible (talk) 07:16, 11 July 2023 (UTC)

::::I'm not confident enough in understanding the UN to know for sure, it's such a big organization. So I suppose we might rule out an "independent expert" from the UN as well [https://academic.oup.com/rsq/article-abstract/15/1/93/1580158]. Either way, here's some somewhat arcane coverage of applying statistical models to missions, this subject being a focus [http://ismor.com/cornwallis/cornwallis_1999/1999_20_Solomon-may99.pdf]. And these two articles seem on the face to be independent [https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/0967010608096151][https://www.jstor.org/stable/41715242]. —siroχo 07:49, 11 July 2023 (UTC)

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• Keep: I think we have enough sources here in the discussion to satisfy GNG requirements. Personally, I think the best way forward would be an article on the multiple UN Peacekeeping missions in Haiti, since there is significant operational overlap, and separating the missions completely seems somewhat arbitrary. See, for example, [https://search.archives.un.org/international-civilian-support-mission-in-haiti-micah this UN report] and [https://www.usip.org/publications/2021/09/plan-haitis-growing-fragility-un-action-thats-equal-challenge this report] by the US Institute of Peace. Even though expanding the article's scope in the future might be good, the notability of the subject is well-established for now. Actualcpscm (talk) 09:26, 21 July 2023 (UTC)
• Keep per Actualcpscm and sources provided by Siroxo above. The article isn't in great shape but it would be pretty extraordinary if such a high-profile mission didn't meet the GNG. Further on possible rescoping, I note that the article itself seems confused about whether this mission ended in 1994 or 2000, which does suggest some difficulty figuring out which mission is which. (The latter date seems more likely based on [https://www.newspapers.com/article/the-miami-herald-officials-seek-formula/128669425/ this 1999 Miami Herald article], which also mentions two other contemporaneous missions.) -- Visviva (talk) 16:29, 22 July 2023 (UTC)
• :I fixed the lead re. the suspension in 1994, but a lot of this is still unclear. Hopefully someone will take the time to research a decent timeline of events and missions. Actualcpscm (talk) 16:52, 22 July 2023 (UTC)

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