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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Maged Salah Al-din

:The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. The "KEEP" opinions generally do not address the pertinent points of our inclusion guidelines.  Sandstein  05:43, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

=[[Maged Salah Al-din]]=

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No evidence in article, and I can find no evidence, that he meets either our criteria at WP:ACADEMIC or WP:BIO Dougweller (talk) 17:31, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

  • Keep: Well known Egyptian writer, he wrote more than 20 or 30 books, His book important 'Tahafout Al-Akadimea' effects a large controversy in the Egyptian press... Do not delete the article —Preceding unsigned comment added by Egyptian-2009 (talk • contribs) 18:08, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

::Comment As the creation of the article and the comment above are your only edits, you may know very little about our policies and guidelines. We can't take your word for this I'm afraid. It's not that we doubt you, but we need evidence. Read the links I mention above about notability and WP:VERIFY and WP:RS. You have about a week to come up with some reliable, verifiable sources that show that this writer is notable. Links to the press controversy would certainly be useful. Dougweller (talk) 18:16, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

  • Delete--I don't see how this is verifiable either. I would love to know, though, what the "irregular form" is in class mobility. Drmies (talk) 22:07, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
  • KEEP why you want to delete a page because 1 thing or 2 things wrong? you can delete the word or the line or the paragraph that you see it is wrong but not all the page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Egyptian-2009 (talk • contribs) 23:14, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
  • KEEP you can delete any academic writes, but he is Well known Egyptian writer, yes his books have reviews Egyptian-2009

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::Comment You can only add one 'keep' or 'delete', and it should be based on Wikipedia related arguments to do with our criteria at WP:ACADEMIC or WP:BIO - have you read those links? We need evidence from reliable and verifiable sources backing your claims. Writing a book is not enough, and so far we don't even have evidence for that (I'm not saying he's written no books, I'm saying we have no evidence for that. I did look using Google first. No evidence found there about him. Dougweller (talk) 12:51, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

::Egyptian-2009: Do you have any links to/scans of Egyptian newspaper articles which talk about his book? Either Arabic or English will be acceptable. cab (talk) 01:04, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

  • Delete My Arabic is minimal but among the GHits for his name in Arabic I don't see any from reliable sources such as newspapers or academic journals: {{find|ماجد صلاح الدين}}. Just the author's home page [http://magedegypt8.jeeran.com/index.htm], a bunch of forums, and trivial mentions of other people with the same name in long lists of names. cab (talk) 01:04, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

::Incidentally, the book mentioned above by Egyptian-2009, "Tahafout Al-Akadimea", does actually exist (see [http://books.google.com/books?id=n4ssAAAACAAJ&dq=%22%D9%85%D8%A7%D8%AC%D8%AF+%D8%B5%D9%84%D8%A7%D8%AD+%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%AF%D9%8A%D9%86%22&as_brr=0 Google Books]; it's in Worldcat a few different times [http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/42971452][http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/43254019][http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/254646456] and looks like it's held by a total of 10 libraries in the US—Library of Congress + various university libraries); offline sources may exist, though I have my doubts. cab (talk) 01:14, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

  • Keep and Edit The book "Tahafout Al-Akadimea" is original from the University of Michigan [http://books.google.com/books?id=Z0FtAAAAMAAJ&q=Ma%CC%84g%CC%8Cid+S%CC%A3ala%CC%84h%CC%A3-ad-Di%CC%84n+H%CC%A3asan&dq=Ma%CC%84g%CC%8Cid+S%CC%A3ala%CC%84h%CC%A3-ad-Di%CC%84n+H%CC%A3asan&pgis=1], and Maged Salah Al-Din is a great genealogist in Egypt. As well as he rebuild Sociology by his book "Al-Aa'raab Fi Al-Mizaan". You can edit what you see wrong or not appropriate in Wikipedia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nahla abbas (talk • contribs) 10:54, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

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  • comment, the "book" is not from the Univ of Michigan, it was merely digitized there, simply because that's where dissertations are digitized (I can't remember the name of the company that does this -- UCI??). Nomoskedasticity (talk) 18:35, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
  • Delete, no evidence of notability, none available as far as I can find through some searches. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 18:35, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
  • KEEP You can edit the page, not to delete a page about one of the famous writers in Egypt. About the book "Tahafout Al-Akadimea" I think you can read here [http://books.google.com/books?id=Z0FtAAAAMAAJ&q=%22Ma%CC%84g%CC%8Cid+S%CC%A3ala%CC%84h%CC%A3-ad-Di%CC%84n+H%CC%A3asan%22&dq=%22Ma%CC%84g%CC%8Cid+S%CC%A3ala%CC%84h%CC%A3-ad-Di%CC%84n+H%CC%A3asan%22&hl=ar&pgis=1] that Michigan University prepared a digital copy of the book, and that means (when Michigan University do that) that the book is so important. Keep the page. Nour egypt —Preceding undated comment added 10:57, 3 May 2009 (UTC).

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::We have our own criteria for people and books, and being digitised is not one of them. I've seen claims that there has been controversy in the Egyptian press, but no evidence. We've found evidence that the book is in very few libraries so far I understand it, another suggestion it isn't notable. If he was a great sociologist, there would be evidence for that in the professional sociology journals, and that hasn't been forthcoming either. If he's one of the most famous writers in Egypt, why isn't there at least Egyptian evidence (and you would definitely expect evidence from sources in other countries as well). No one (I'm not sure how many editors we have here arguing for Keep) has produced any evidence that meets our criteria. Dougweller (talk) 12:37, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

:The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.