Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Make America Rock Again

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Article about a concert tour, not reliably sourced as passing WP:NTOUR. As always, concert tours are not "inherently" notable enough for Wikipedia articles just because they happened, and have to have a significant volume and depth of reliable source coverage about them to establish notability "in terms of artistic approach, financial success, relationship to audience, or other such terms", while "sources that merely establish that a tour happened are not sufficient to demonstrate notability." (Both of those are direct quotes from NTOUR.)
But this is not showing any of the required type of content or sourcing: the article is clearly from the "this is a thing that happened" school of concert tour articles rather than the "adding any NTOUR-compliant context" school, and it's referenced to just six footnotes of which three are primary sources that cannot support notability (the tour organizers' own self-published website and a ticket sales platform), and the other three are just basic announcements that the tour was happening, with absolutely none of the detailed analysis of its creative, cultural or financial significance that NTOUR requires.
As always I'm willing to withdraw the nomination if somebody with more knowledge of contemporary hard rock and heavy metal than I've got can improve the article, but a concert tour needs a lot more than just simple verification that it happened. Bearcat (talk) 16:16, 25 January 2025 (UTC)

• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Music and United States of America. Bearcat (talk) 16:16, 25 January 2025 (UTC)
• Delete - there's some basic announcements around it, but there's nothing there meets WP:NTOURS. It's a pretty run-of-the-mill tour by a bunch of bands well past their time in mainstream popularity, that caught a couple headlines because they aped a popular catchphrase at the time. Sergecross73 msg me 17:05, 25 January 2025 (UTC)

:Comment: {{Ping|Utopes|Jax 0677|Tavix|Schützenpanzer}} Courtesy ping the participants of Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2025 January 19#Make America Rock Again to make them aware of this discussion. Steel1943 (talk) 20:54, 25 January 2025 (UTC)

• Keep - Keep article which has a sufficient number of references. Otherwise, redirect to either Scott Stapp or one of the other bands on the tour. --Jax 0677 (talk) 15:57, 26 January 2025 (UTC)
• :This is a WP:VAGUEWAVE response. What sources help us add what content to satisfy WP:NTOURS? Simple tour announcements are not enough. Sergecross73 msg me 18:07, 26 January 2025 (UTC)
• ::Assuming there are not enough sources, the term can be redirected to headliner Scott Stapp. In any event, there is no good reason to delete the page history. --Jax 0677 (talk) 12:50, 30 January 2025 (UTC)
• :::Yes, techincally, a redirect to Scott Stapp#Tours is plausible, though I don't think it'll really help the reader, nor is it particularly Stapp-centric of a subject. But it is valid, and far better than retaining the article, and my main point was that it fails NTOURS, which you don't seem to be countering. Sergecross73 msg me 15:07, 30 January 2025 (UTC)
• :As already noted above, it is not sufficient to merely show a small handful of sourcing to verify that a concert tour happened — making a concert tour notable enough for its own article requires showing a significant volume of analytical content contextualizing why the tour was important, such as showing evidence of creative, cultural or financial impact. Bearcat (talk) 18:27, 27 January 2025 (UTC)
• ::And the only commentary I've seen, is in the article - that the tour was put together in hopes of rejuvenating the stagnant rock genre. As someone who reads/writes a lot about modern rock music - it didn't work. None of the artists involved found any particular commercial success in the years following (or to date) from this, nor was anything "inspired" or "rejuvenated" by this. They apparently scrounged up enough to warrant a second truncated iteration the following year, but that's it. Sergecross73 msg me 00:14, 28 January 2025 (UTC)
• Redirect to Scott Stapp, who's not only notable but was formerly of Creed, an infamous band. We have redirected concert tour articles often, although not every time. WP:DCOI: I confess that I liked one song he sang, and saw Creed in concert many years ago when I was young, innocent, and thin. See, I can separate my musical tastes from politics! Bearian (talk) 02:10, 28 January 2025 (UTC)

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