Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Malaysia–Romania relations

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The result was delete. King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 04:28, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

=[[Malaysia–Romania relations]]=

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whilst noting the 2 countries have embassies, a distinct lack of coverage of actual bilateral relations, mostly multilateral. [http://news.google.com/archivesearch?q=malaysia+romania+-russia+-bulgaria+-singapore&num=10&hl=en&scoring=a]. the first article of this search is the usual "we want to cooperate more" type but there's little evidence of coverage of actual cooperation since they said that in 2001. they [http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1P1-85641058.html met again] in 2003 and said much the same thing. all countries with diplomatic ties want to increase trade. LibStar (talk) 03:43, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

Delete. There is not actual notability demonstrated between these two countries. Vague diplo-speak and cooperation with groups is about it. Niteshift36 (talk) 08:48, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Romania-related deletion discussions. -- TexasAndroid (talk) 11:55, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Malaysia-related deletion discussions. -- TexasAndroid (talk) 11:55, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Politics-related deletion discussions. —Cdogsimmons (talk) 19:13, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
Keep and expand. These are major nations that have embassies and notable foreign relations with each other. ChildofMidnight (talk) 20:31, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

: can you provide evidence of significant coverage to establish notability? LibStar (talk) 00:24, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

::Sure. Here's an example [http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1P1-82629945.html] "KUALA LUMPUR, Fri. - Malaysia and Romania are looking towards strengthening relations in political economic and cultural fields in view of the huge benefits that could be accrued by promoting each other's products in their respective regions. Acting Romanian ambassador to Malaysia Mihail Montanu said Romania with its strategic location, including direct access to the Black Sea and bordered in the south by the Danube river, could be an excellent gateway for products from Malaysia and the Asean region to Europe. " MOre here [http://news.google.com/archivesearch?pz=1&ned=us&hl=en&q=Malaysia+Romania+relations&cf=all]. THis article for example talks about Ceausescu's visit to Malaysia in 1982. [http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=k7YTAAAAIBAJ&sjid=A5ADAAAAIBAJ&pg=4186,1489497&dq=malaysia+romania+relations] and Prime Minister Mahathir Mohamad's visit to Romania in 1983. ChildofMidnight (talk) 02:06, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

: visits by leaders do not in itself establish notability, secondly "looking towards strengthening relations" type statements happen all the time, we need evidence of actual and notable relations such as trade agreements, significant trade, military cooperation etc LibStar (talk) 02:32, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

::*Leaders shaking hands? Vague diplo-speak about hoping to strengthen relations? I have difficulty considering that notable. Niteshift36 (talk) 13:37, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

:::*Notability is based on substantial coverage in reliable sources. So whether we think the visits were notable or not is irrelevant. ChildofMidnight (talk) 17:06, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

Delete Just not seeing anything (in the article, cited in this debate, or in my own searches) that meets the bar of WP:GNG, namely, the existence of independent, reliable sources that address the subject directly in detail. Yilloslime ^T_C 20:25, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
Delete Only substance is a handful of treaties of the sort most pairs of countries engage in. No notable significance on the world stage. --BlueSquadronRaven 05:11, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
Delete - just about everyone "looks toward strengthening relations in the political, economic and cultural fields". That cannot mask the lack of multiple, reliable sources actually discussing this relationship. - Biruitorul ^Talk 15:24, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

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