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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Manuel Valls (composer)

:The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was No consensus. Jayjg (talk) 01:52, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

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Notability. It seems that this composer hasn't made any impact in the classical music world Karljoos (talk) 10:46, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

Weak Keep. According to the Wikipedia entries in Spanish (:es:Manuel Valls i Gorina) and Catalan (:ca:Manuel Valls i Gorina), and also this [http://fc.barcelona.com/the_club/el_cant_del_barca source] he is the author of the music of "El Cant del Barça", the official anthem of FC Barcelona. If the anthem is notable, then Manuel Valls would also be notable per WP:COMPOSER #1. --CronopioFlotante (talk) 12:41, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

Delete. Insufficient evidence of notability.--JohnnyB256 (talk) 19:53, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

:Question. JohnnyB256, I don't understand exactly what you mean by this. Do you mean that

:# there is not enough evidence that Valls composed Cant del Barça,

:# Cant del Barça is not notable, therefore Valls is not notable per WP:COMPOSER #1,

:# there is insufficient verifiable material to warrant a reasonably detailed article on the composer and we should merge to Cant del Barça,

:# we shouldn't be using WP:COMPOSER #1 in this case and there is insufficient evidence of notability according to other criteria.

:CronopioFlotante (talk) 21:08, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

::No, I don't believe that the anthem of a football club is notable.--JohnnyB256 (talk) 16:46, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

::Me neither--Karljoos (talk) 17:23, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

:::Ok. I added a "weak" in front of my "keep". Shouldn't we then also nominate Cant del Barça as well? CronopioFlotante (talk) 18:08, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

  • Note: This debate has been included in the list of Music-related deletion discussions. —CronopioFlotante (talk) 21:40, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
  • Note: This debate has been included in the list of Academics and educators-related deletion discussions. —John Z (talk) 09:54, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
  • Keep.[http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=44meEcVc26EC&pg=PA5&dq=%22Manuel+Valls%22&num=100&client=firefox-a#v=onepage&q=%22Manuel%20Valls%22&f=false][http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=Qn8XAQAAIAAJ&q=%22Manuel+Valls%22&dq=%22Manuel+Valls%22&num=100&client=firefox-a][http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=MPHLcCCl2GgC&pg=PA144&dq=%22Manuel+Valls%22&num=100&client=firefox-a#v=onepage&q=%22Manuel%20Valls%22&f=false][http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=5XUWAAAAIAAJ&q=%22Manuel+Valls%22&dq=%22Manuel+Valls%22&num=100&client=firefox-a][http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=1mwXAQAAIAAJ&q=%22Manuel+Valls%22&dq=%22Manuel+Valls%22&num=100&client=firefox-a][http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=eeUgC-39WvcC&pg=PT100&dq=%22Manuel+Valls%22&num=100&client=firefox-a#v=onepage&q=%22Manuel%20Valls%22&f=false][http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=j_BzFZaOxZUC&q=%22Manuel+Valls%22&dq=%22Manuel+Valls%22&num=100&client=firefox-a][http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=ttYXAQAAIAAJ&q=%22Manuel+Valls%22&dq=%22Manuel+Valls%22&num=100&client=firefox-a][http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=-X8nAAAAMAAJ&q=%22Manuel+Valls%22&dq=%22Manuel+Valls%22&lr=&num=100&client=firefox-a] are just some of the books that cover of the subject. I pointed out when I contested the WP:PROD deletion that there were plenty of sources to be found from a Google Books search, so I'm rather surprised that the nominator didn't notice these while following the instructions for nominating articles for deletion. Phil Bridger (talk) 22:16, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

::almost all of these seem to be mentions, but of course it is almost impossible to tell with G Books snippets. I'd like to know there is even one substantial discussion DGG ( talk ) 22:01, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

:::I agree that it's difficult to be sure based on the Google Books snippets, but the format of [http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=Qn8XAQAAIAAJ&q=%22Manuel+Valls%22&dq=%22Manuel+Valls%22&num=100&client=firefox-a this] makes it look like an encyclopedia-style entry and page 479 of [http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=j_BzFZaOxZUC&q=%22Manuel+Valls%22&dq=%22Manuel+Valls%22&num=100&client=firefox-a this book] has this composer's name as a section heading. Phil Bridger (talk) 23:56, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

  • Keep on the basis of Phil's analysis--that last one in particular. DGG ( talk ) 02:07, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
  • Delete - on the basis of Phil's analysis. Of the last posts, of those in english (1) they aren't at all suggestive of notability. The other two are bare references. I have a hard time seeing the indication of notability. perhaps I missed it (translation engines fail sometimes). But even after that, how is this notable? Shadowjams (talk) 10:46, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
  • keep, extensive coverage in books and scholarly articles, hundreds of hits. The auto links at the top of the afd won't show this, but if you search on "manuel valls" + musica you get loads. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 10:55, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
  • :Which one of those above references are the "extensive coverage"? Shadowjams (talk) 10:57, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

::See Phil Bridger's post at 23:56 18/10. In any event, I wasn't basing my post on Phil's -- I was suggesting another way of seeing notability. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 12:08, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

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