Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Marcel Martel

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WP:BLP of an academic, who has a valid potential notability claim but lacks the reliable source coverage needed to properly support it. The only "references" here are his primary source staff profiles on the websites of the institutions where he teaches, and I can't find any independent coverage of him anywhere else: on a ProQuest search, what I actually get is a lot of hits on a country singer who should rightly be primary topic for this name (thus explaining why an anonymous IP filed this in {{cl|Canadian country singer-songwriters}} earlier today, and why two of the five inbound links here are expecting a country singer). And if I search "Marcel Martel -country" to filter the singer out, I do find a few glancing namechecks of the historian's existence as a provider of soundbite, but no coverage about him: even in the narrower search, he's still vastly outnumbered by a former mayor of Jonquière, a mafia hitman, and a convicted spousal abuser. (Those are three distinct people, just to clarify.) I just can't find the depth of coverage about him that would be required to get him an encyclopedia article, and academics don't get a free exemption from having to be referenced just because their own university faculty profiles verify that they exist. Bearcat (talk) 19:29, 27 February 2018 (UTC)

:Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Quebec-related deletion discussions. Bearcat (talk) 19:36, 27 February 2018 (UTC)

:Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Academics and educators-related deletion discussions. Bearcat (talk) 19:36, 27 February 2018 (UTC)

• Keep -- Meets WP:NPROF Criterion 3 5 as the holder of a named chair at York University, which is by any measure a major university. Furthermore, most of the guy's impact seems to be via his scholarship in French, so the google searches described above may have missed much of it. A scholar search turns up some well-cited monographs, and google searches for him in French reveal a great deal of coverage.192.160.216.52 (talk) 20:18, 27 February 2018 (UTC)
• Keep. Passes WP:PROF#C5 as a named professor at a major university. The independent coverage is scholarly literature that either [https://scholar.google.co.uk/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C5&q=Marcel+Martel&btnG= cites] or reviews his work. A not-particularly-thorough search turned up dozens of reviews in French and English before I gave up [https://www.erudit.org/fr/revues/haf/2017-v70-n4-haf03137/1040579ar/][https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/canadian-journal-of-political-science-revue-canadienne-de-science-politique/article/le-canada-francais-et-la-confederation-fondements-et-bilan-critique-sous-la-direction-de-jeanfrancois-caron-et-de-marcel-martel-les-presses-de-luniversite-laval-quebec-2016-174-pages/D9F17E169E7C00CF41231E22E9668BC0][https://www.cairn.info/revue-vingtieme-siecle-revue-d-histoire-2016-1-p-75.htm][https://muse.jhu.edu/article/576265][https://muse.jhu.edu/article/601754][https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/02722011.2015.1010786][https://utpjournals.press/doi/abs/10.3138/utq.85.3.326][https://lh.journals.yorku.ca/index.php/lh/article/view/39318][https://www.jstor.org/stable/24877283?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents][https://muse.jhu.edu/article/544866/pdf][https://muse.jhu.edu/article/555386][https://www.erudit.org/fr/revues/minling/2013-n3-minling0661/1016691ar.pdf][https://www.erudit.org/en/journals/cd1/2009-v50-n2-cd3875/043976ar/][https://www.erudit.org/fr/revues/haf/2009-v63-n1-haf3853/039897ar/][https://academic.oup.com/shm/article-abstract/20/1/179/2332207?redirectedFrom=fulltext][https://muse.jhu.edu/article/213628][https://muse.jhu.edu/article/217932][https://muse.jhu.edu/article/250947][https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/canadian-journal-of-political-science-revue-canadienne-de-science-politique/article/div-classtitlenot-this-time-canadians-public-policy-and-the-marijuana-question-19611975-div/C0AB9D7177A62C2A994F32D96BBE2F79][https://www.erudit.org/fr/revues/haf/2007-v60-n4-haf1778/016543ar.pdf][https://muse.jhu.edu/article/238555/pdf][https://muse.jhu.edu/article/590988/pdf][https://www.erudit.org/fr/revues/rs/1999-v40-n3-rs1606/057312ar/][https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/canadian-journal-of-political-science-revue-canadienne-de-science-politique/article/le-deuil-dun-pays-imagine-reves-luttes-et-deroute-du-canada-francais-les-rapports-entre-le-quebec-et-la-francophonie-canadienne-18671975martel-marcel-coll-amerique-francaise-5-ottawa-les-presses-de-luniversite-dottawa-1997-204-p/5345F34AAE90581CFF90072C10176BFE][https://muse.jhu.edu/article/590633/pdf][https://www.jstor.org/stable/j.ctt1cn6snx][https://www.erudit.org/fr/revues/minling/2017-n8-minling03109/1040315ar/][https://www.erudit.org/fr/revues/haf/2017-v70-n4-haf03137/1040579ar/]. – Joe (talk) 20:34, 27 February 2018 (UTC)

::It's a bit beside the point, but after skimming some of the sources above I don't think that the singer should be the primary topic either. Martel seems to be a highly influential historian. I've just created a stub at Marcel Martel (musician). If kept, I'd suggest this article be moved to Marcel Martel (historian) and we create a disambiguation page for the two. – Joe (talk) 21:19, 27 February 2018 (UTC)

:::We do not need a dab page for two articles. An "other uses" hatnote solves the problem. Peterkingiron (talk) 21:48, 3 March 2018 (UTC)

::::Per WP:TWODABS, a dab page for two articles is the appropriate solution if neither of the two articles has a strong claim to WP:PRIMARYTOPIC rights over the other for their name. Bearcat (talk) 09:01, 6 March 2018 (UTC)

• Keep. Clear pass of both WP:PROF and (by Joe's results) WP:AUTHOR. —David Eppstein (talk) 20:57, 27 February 2018 (UTC)

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• Keep. In addition to the points raised by Joe above, also passes WP:PROF#C3 as an elected Fellow of the Royal Society of Canada (I added a ref to the article). Nsk92 (talk) 23:30, 28 February 2018 (UTC)
• Keep per WP:PROF as shown in the above responses. Thsmi002 (talk) 11:20, 2 March 2018 (UTC)
• Keep -- The problem with this article is that it is only a stub. Tag accordingly. Peterkingiron (talk) 21:44, 3 March 2018 (UTC)

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