Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Marie C. Jerge

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Withdraw - I know a blizzard when I see one. I think we go down a dangerous road when we assume auto notability for any subject, and I think the coverage found is very WP:ROTM, but there is clear consensus to keep, so we need not drag this out further. schetm (talk) 05:08, 17 February 2020 (UTC)

Non-notable cleric. There are a few articles about her in church-related publications, but no significant coverage in reliable sources independent of the ELCA.schetm (talk) 16:12, 14 February 2020 (UTC)

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Speedy keep per WP:BISHOPS.DiamondRemley39 (talk) 16:49, 14 February 2020 (UTC)

• Keep per WP:BISHOPS, subject is the bishop of a synod of a notable segment of the Lutheran Church. Hog Farm (talk) 17:14, 14 February 2020 (UTC)

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Comment Hog Farm and I found several reliable secondary sources that verify most of the information in the article (and what remains, her degrees, could be removed for all I care). It seems the nominator is unfamiliar with bishop notability -- as was I when I nominated a similar article for deletion some time ago. DiamondRemley39 (talk) 17:33, 14 February 2020 (UTC)

• Comment We aught to be very careful when it comes to conferring automatic notability on someone by virtue of their status, as WP:BISHOPS does. WP:BISHOPS is not policy. It is simply the notability guideline of one Wikiproject which, in my mind, seems to contradict WP:NRV. The two articles added from the Post Standard probably work to establish notability (I'm not shelling out 20 bucks to check) but, as "multiple publications from the same author or organization are usually regarded as a single source for the purposes of establishing notability" we still need one more source, and neither the passing mentions of Jerge in reference to closing a church nor a wedding announcement cuts it. If another source like that from the Post Standard can be found, I'll withdraw. schetm (talk) 20:26, 14 February 2020 (UTC)

::Also see likely outcome of bishop deletion discussions. It's an essay, not policy, but worth a read. The wedding announcement is a citation for the biographical information and of course isn't meant to contribute to notability--it was published before she was a pastor. I see multiple other articles about her installation as bishop in the various newspaper archives to which I have access. Do you not have a public or university library around through which you could avoid a paywall? DiamondRemley39 (talk) 20:47, 14 February 2020 (UTC)

:::Living out in the country doesn't lend itself to easy access to libraries. schetm (talk) 05:09, 17 February 2020 (UTC)

• keep She is not famous, but then bishops as a rule aren't. Nonetheless I find for instance record of her dealing with a misbehaving pastor, making statements about immigration, and the like, and I find one book reference to her as an example of a relatively early female ELCA bishop. I'm not terribly willing to step up to "bishops as a rule are NOT notable", and that's what deleting this one would imply. Mangoe (talk) 23:23, 14 February 2020 (UTC)

::There are other possible ways to distinguish though. I think an argument could be made that ELCA bishops are less notable as a rule than Catholic or Episcopal bishops because their Church has a view of the episcopal office that is less "high".Jahaza (talk) 01:10, 16 February 2020 (UTC)

• Keep: bishop, honorary degree, multiple sources - seems sufficient for notability. PamD 12:48, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
• Keep exercising WP:AGF the paywalled/offline sources seem sufficient for WP:Basic, imv Atlantic306 (talk) 19:38, 16 February 2020 (UTC)
• Keep -- Bishops and moderators of major denominations are usually notable. Possibly we could distinguish those who only hold office for a limited term from Catholic and Anglican ones who hold office for life. Peterkingiron (talk) 20:00, 16 February 2020 (UTC)
• Keep. We usually keep the bishops of major denominations. As one of the first female Lutheran bishops, she's notable for that alone. I also found [https://www.google.com/search?tbm=nws&sxsrf=ACYBGNSTG2JJ2JVK9pLm6rlbYLbpqH6Wlg%3A1582040657128&ei=UQZMXr2sB4OV5wLJ3ZewDw&q=%22Marie+Jerge%22+-wikipedia&oq=%22Marie+Jerge%22+-wikipedia&gs_l=psy-ab.3...9950.9950.0.10348.1.1.0.0.0.0.92.92.1.1.0....0...1c.1.64.psy-ab..0.0.0....0.diJ6j9dCq6E additional news sources without her middle initial]. Bearian (talk) 15:46, 18 February 2020 (UTC)

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