Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Marilyn Yaquinto

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The subject of this entirely unsourced BLP did not actually win a Pulitzer, at least not according to [http://www.pulitzer.org Pulitzer itself]. This bio seems to be a hoax, but assuming she's a real professor, she facially fails WP:PROFESSOR solidly. JFHJr (㊟) 21:32, 16 May 2013 (UTC)

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• Keep Let's get real - the nominator of this article has meticulously gone through the list of articles I have created and nominated numerous ones for deletion, most of which have existed for a long period of time and some of which have PREVIOUSLY been put to a vote. This nomination is gross incompetence and disregard for the process and is motivated by some animus stemming from a separate issue. Marilyn won her Pulitzer as part of the team covering Rodney King. Google it. This nomination is frivolous. Adamc714 (talk) 02:13, 17 May 2013 (UTC)

:*Question — Why do you suppose the Pulitzer website doesn't contain any mention of her? I searched and found several other winners' names. What team was she on, and did Yaquinto herself win the Pulitzer? Other AfD nominations for other articles aren't very relevant here. That said, if I think any nomination of mine is a clear error, I'll gladly withdraw, as [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Rafael_La_Porta&diff=prev&oldid=555451054 I did for one professor] whose name I misspelled in searches before nominating. Let's WP:AGF, yes? Shouting incompetence isn't a great show. A reliable source would be a good start. JFHJr (㊟) 02:53, 17 May 2013 (UTC)

::*Answer - The award went to the reporting staff of the LA Times, of which she was a member. She and her fellow staff reporters won the award as a unit. I am willing to assume good faith, but that does not mean that evidence of bad faith becomes irrelevant. I'm not an expert at Wikipedia, so I don't know all of these insane bureaucratic rules. I apologize for my inability to edit at your level. However, nominating this long-standing article for deletion instead of saying "Hey, maybe you should link a better source" seems extreme. Adamc714 (talk) 03:25, 17 May 2013 (UTC)

• Delete The above answer makes it abundantly clear that this person did not, in fact, win a Pulitzer price (which would have established notability beyond any doubt). No other evidence that she meets WP:ACADEMIC, WP:AUTHOR, or WP:BIO. --Randykitty (talk) 13:10, 17 May 2013 (UTC)

:*Comment - If joint awards are invalid, then I would appreciate if some would scrub any reference of the Nobel Prize from everyone who ever won it jointly. Look, that specific prize is awarded to reporting staffs exclusively. She was on the staff and contributed to the works that won the prize. The prize is a validation of her merit as a journalist, and I think the average person would find even a tangential claim to a Pulitzer to be a notable career accomplishment. You can't just arbitrarily draw lines to decide when joint awards do and do not count as notable, especially when I can't find any rule about notability that supports that type of reasoning. Adamc714 (talk) 15:04, 17 May 2013 (UTC)

::*I would gingerly suggest that there might be a slight difference between 2 or 3 persons jointly winning a Nobel Prize (which will then list the name of every single winner on their website and each such winner is certain to be covered in multiple newspaper articles, radio/TV shows, etc.) and being member of a whole team that gets an award (after which the awarding organization just lists the name of the team and we cannot find any sources that confirm that this person won said award). The Nobel Peace Prize has several times been awarded to groups (as opposed to sharing one between 2 or 3 people, as often happens in the sciences). And I think the CERN team has once gotten a Nobel in physics. As far as I know, these prizes are not mentioned in any single biography of any person who at some point was a member of said groups. --Randykitty (talk) 15:31, 17 May 2013 (UTC)

:::*Comment - Obviously my Nobel Prize example was hyperbole. However, my central point remains: I think the proper way to think about this issue is to say, "Would an objective, reasonable person find it notable that Marilyn was on a staff team that won a Pulitzer?" I think the answer to that question is "yes". This is simply a function of how the award works, and I think your average person would find it notable that she was on a Pulitzer-winning team. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Adamc714 (talk • contribs) 17:12, 17 May 2013 (UTC)

::::*Perhaps I'm not an objective, reasonable person, but my answer to the question is "no". Unless it could be shown that she had a leading role in this team, I would not even mention something like this in the article. --Randykitty (talk) 17:19, 17 May 2013 (UTC)

:::::*The award is not given for leading the team; the award is giving for contributing to the team.Adamc714 (talk) 17:22, 17 May 2013 (UTC)

::::::*The award was apparently given to the LA Times staff for spot reporting. Not, apparently, to any particular teams of individuals. See [http://www.pulitzer.org/bycat/Spot-News-Reporting this]. JFHJr (㊟) 21:15, 17 May 2013 (UTC)

• Delete per Randykitty. Ray^Talk 12:11, 18 May 2013 (UTC)
• Delete -- she was a member of a team of reporters that was awarded a Pulitzer Prize, and that is worth something (it makes the newspaper pass GNG in itself), but not enough to pass GNG or WP:PROF herself. This forum can be too hard on academics working in fields that do not produce research that can be indexed by number of citations, true, but in general an assistant professor at a middle-tier ranked school does not pass the average prof. test and I do not see anything except being a non-individually cited member of the Pulitzer-winning team to push her above that bar. In four or five years, quite possibly, but not now. -- Michael Scott Cuthbert (talk) 16:40, 18 May 2013 (UTC)
• Comment The prize was the 93 prize, for reporting during the 92 riots, when she was 1 year out of journalism school. The likelihoodo f her having made a substantial contribution was pretty low. DGG ( talk ) 05:35, 19 May 2013 (UTC)
• Delete. Junior academic and former reporter who was a member of a team that won a journalism prize. Not notable. -- Necrothesp (talk) 09:06, 20 May 2013 (UTC)
• Delete, according to above observations. Only "source" in article seems to be her CV. Agricola44 (talk) 16:17, 20 May 2013 (UTC).

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