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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Martin Yates

:The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Cirt (talk) 07:03, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

=[[Martin Yates]]=

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Non-notable; searches for references do not offer any help. The only reference in the article does not support its assertion (although it may be correct; no prejudice).  Frank  {{!}}  talk  19:07, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

  • Note: This debate has been included in the list of Living people-related deletion discussions. --Erwin85Bot (talk) 00:03, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
  • Keep A very brief search yielded a wealth of potential sources: [http://news.google.com/archivesearch?q=%22Martin+Yates%22+orchestra&btnG=Search&um=1&ned=us&hl=en&scoring=a]. I'm still open to more discussion though, that was just a first impression. My intuition based on a quick glance, however, suggests that this is a classic example of a page that could be pretty easily sourced and cleaned up. He conducted the BBC Concert Orchestra, see this search: [http://news.google.com/archivesearch?q=%22BBC+Concert+Orchestra%22+yates&btnG=Search&hl=en&ned=us&um=1&scoring=a], also, he conducted the Jerusalem Symphony Orchestra, see search: [http://news.google.com/archivesearch?q=%22martin+yates%22+%22Jerusalem+Symphony+Orchestra%22&btnG=Search&hl=en&ned=us&um=1&scoring=a], and also the Royal Scottish National Orchestra. These might not be the best of the best orchestras in the world but they're certainly major ones, and I suspect I would find more material if I searched harder. Cazort (talk) 00:15, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
  • :The quantity of mentions of his name is not in question; what is in question is notability. In general, WP:NOTE calls for significant coverage in reliable secondary sources that are independent of the subject, which I don't see in any of those hits. What I see is that a performance is being given, and he is the conductor. No mention of his contribution to a specific genre, notability for his conducting, or evidence of a long and distinguished career. It may be that WP:MUSICBIO item #5 ([h]as released two or more albums on a major label...) is satisfied; if such can be demonstrated this may be a moot discussion.  Frank  {{!}}  talk  14:17, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

::* Maybe I've read through the search results more than you...I have seen acknowledgement of substantial contributions, and in different articles. This article: [http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/obituaries/culture-obituaries/music-obituaries/5252799/Richard-Arnell.html] reads "...Martin Yates, whose premiere recording of Arnell's First and Sixth Symphonies were nominated by Gramophone magazine in March as an Editor's Choice". Also, amazon lists 46 items (maybe some dups?) on which he is the conductor: [http://www.amazon.co.uk/s/ref=dp_db_clas_cond?ie=UTF8&search-alias=classical&keywords=Martin%20Yates]. Even with dups, that's very substantial--compare to discographies of many solidly notable pop artists. WP:MUSICBIO reads "Has released two or more albums on a major label"; while I realize he's just the conductor, this is far above and beyond. This article: [http://muse.jhu.edu/login?uri=/journals/notes/v061/61.2lamb.pdf] and this book [http://books.google.com/books?hl=en&lr=&id=XWXnJqsAaGkC&oi=fnd&pg=PR7&dq=%22martin+yates%22+orchestra&ots=Rw22BUzALU&sig=RMLAZth8cylhoOWbkLLBZPGwrNE#PPA68,M1] both establish that he also has prepared an edition of a Gilbert & Sullivan score that has been noticed/cited. Some of the references in the news search also refer to him as a pianist and composer. This source: [http://pom.sagepub.com/cgi/content/abstract/34/2/262] discusses a string quartet of his, establishing that he is indeed a composer and that his music is performed. Here is a very detailed source that is NOT independent: [http://www.hazardchase.co.uk/artists/martin_yates] (run by his management company). Cazort (talk) 16:10, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

:::* Update: I found the original article of the editor's pick in Grammophone: [http://www.gramophone.co.uk/edschoice.asp?edsdate=01/03/2009]. Cazort (talk) 18:18, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

  • Keep on the basis of the review cited, and the other work. DGG (talk) 00:56, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

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