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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mason McDonald

:The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. (Non-administrator closure) NorthAmerica1000 05:14, 23 July 2014 (UTC)

=[[Mason McDonald]]=

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Does not meet WP:NHOCKEY. He has been drafted to the NHL but only in the second round. If he plays in the NHL then he should be included, but until then this is a case of WP:NotJustYet. Tchaliburton (talk) 14:54, 28 June 2014 (UTC)

  • Comment - Although his Wikipedia page does not mention it, he was the starting goaltender for Canada at the 2014 IIHF World U18 Championships. Canada won a bronze medal and McDonald was ranked as the top goaltender in the tournament based on the official tournament rankings (See here: [http://www.iihf.com/competition/368/statistics.html]). I don't know if that meets WP:NHOCKEY, but I mention it in case it does. 99.192.90.26 (talk) 22:43, 28 June 2014 (UTC)

::I don't think it would. The U18 tournament is a level below the World Junior Ice Hockey Championships. If he has "Achieved preeminent honors (all-time top ten career scorer, First Team All-Star, All-American)" in his major junior career, I think that would satisfy the criteria. I'm not sure if he has or not. Tchaliburton (talk) 23:31, 28 June 2014 (UTC)

::: Actually, I would not call the U18 a "level below" the U20 tournament. They just are a different age category (just as the U20 tournament is different from the World Chanmpionship). The AHL is a level below the NHL because the same people are allowed to play in both, but the better players play in the NHL. For the World Championship, the U20 and the U18 they are each the highest level for the group of people eligible to play.

::: But if this is not good enough to pass WP:NHOCKEY, then perhaps the same review should be made of the half dozen kids who were drafted in the second round this year either just ahead or just behind McDonald. There are a number of pages that have popped up where the closest people come to WP:NHOCKEY is the U17, U18 or the Ivan Hlinka Memorial Tournament. Similar cases are Brendan Lemieux, Jayce Hawryluk, Dominik Mašín, Thatcher Demko, Vitek Vanecek, and Josh Jacobs. 99.192.77.77 (talk) 03:24, 29 June 2014 (UTC) (=99.192.90.26)

::::U-18 definitely falls a level below U-20 in terms of the calibre of play, but also in terms of notability. As for the other players you mentioned, I would suggest evaluating them individually. If they lack notability then they should not be included. Tchaliburton (talk) 03:42, 29 June 2014 (UTC)

:Note: This debate has been included in the list of Canada-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 02:24, 29 June 2014 (UTC)

:Note: This debate has been included in the list of Ice hockey-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 02:24, 29 June 2014 (UTC)

:Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 02:24, 29 June 2014 (UTC)

  • Delete. Fails NHOCKEY. I did find a good local source, but not enough. FWIW, playing int he U20 tournament is not enough to pass NHOCKEY. The U18 tournament even less so. Resolute 15:54, 29 June 2014 (UTC)
  • Keep per WP:GNG with substantial coverage from multiple independent sources. Substantial coverage predates NHL draft, so this isn't a "one event" situation. So, even if we assume he somehow never plays in the NHL, he still qualifies for an article. --Rob (talk) 08:46, 30 June 2014 (UTC)
  • Delete per WP:GNG. Fails to meet GNG or WP:NHOCKEY. Coverage pre-draft is local routine sports coverage. -DJSasso (talk) 12:28, 30 June 2014 (UTC)
  • Keep. Appears to meet the GNG.[https://www.google.ca/webhp?gfe_rd=cr&ei=Cv-xU8iWOOGV8Qf97ICIBQ&gws_rd=ssl#q=%22Mason+McDonald%22&tbm=nws] Mice never shop (talk) 00:23, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

:Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

:Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, NorthAmerica1000 19:29, 6 July 2014 (UTC)

:Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

:Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, NorthAmerica1000 11:11, 15 July 2014 (UTC)

  • Delete It doesn't really fail WP:GNG, but it does fail WP:NHOCKEY. EMachine03 (talk) 11:31, 15 July 2014 (UTC)
  • : Note to closer - GNG trumps NHOCKEY. Dolovis (talk) 04:52, 16 July 2014 (UTC)
  • Keep - First goaltender taken in the NHL Entry Draft. Three more news articles [http://thechronicleherald.ca/sports/1217841-halifax-s-mason-mcdonald-could-be-first-goalie-taken-in-nhl-draft][http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/halifax-s-mason-mcdonald-1st-goalie-picked-in-nhl-draft-1.2690734][http://www.calgarysun.com/2014/06/28/flames-select-goalie-mason-mcdonald-early-in-second-round] to further confirm he meets GNG. Dolovis (talk) 17:46, 16 July 2014 (UTC)

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