Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Matt Buschmann (2nd nomination)

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Non notable minor league baseball player. Previous AFD closed as merge but he is no longer in the Oakland system and is a free agent so merge is no longer possible. Journeyman AAAA player. Spanneraol (talk) 03:42, 9 November 2014 (UTC)

:Note: This debate has been included in the list of Baseball-related deletion discussions. Spanneraol (talk) 03:43, 9 November 2014 (UTC)

• Comment Just for the sake of factuality: AAAA (quadruple A) refers to a player who bounces back and forth between the minors and majors, or someone who gets called up every once in a while but spends most of his time in the minors, or someone who has enormous success in the minors, but cannot find such success in the majors (like Brandon Wood). Buschmann is just a journeyman Triple-A player as he never spent any time in the big leagues. Alex (talk) 03:58, 9 November 2014 (UTC)

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• Weak keep On the back of this fairly substantial feature story: [http://archive.tennessean.com/article/20140214/LIFE01/302140086/Nashville-love-story-stars-SportsCenter-s-Sara-Walsh-former-Vandy-teammates], but he also has [http://athletics.scout.com/story/1368837-oakland-a-s-milb-fa-profile-matt-buschmann], [http://www.tucsonsentinel.com/sports/report/052811_tucsonpadres/buschmann-throws-complete-game-11-1-padres-win/], [http://debeisbol.com/matt-buschmann-es-el-sexto-extranjero-de-tomateros/], three minor league All-Star selections and four Player of the Week honors going for him. Trivial as it is, he also pitched in a perfect game while in college [http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1696&dat=20030506&id=FfMaAAAAIBAJ&sjid=L0gEAAAAIBAJ&pg=3993,743700]. Alex (talk) 04:17, 9 November 2014 (UTC)

::Sigh...The third one is routine. What do you not get about this? Also, what is your proof that the fourth one is a reliable source?--Yankees10 04:37, 9 November 2014 (UTC)

:::Also not convinced these Scout.com articles you keep finding should be used. They look like blogs to me.--Yankees10 04:40, 9 November 2014 (UTC)

::::Scout.com articles have been cited and sourced previously without a problem. Alex (talk) 05:14, 9 November 2014 (UTC)

:::::I've never used Scout.com for a baseball bio source, but WP:CFB and WP:CBB routinely disregard Scout.com (and other recruiting service) materials for purposes of determining notability in AfD discussions. Frankly, that makes a lot of sense when Scout.com and Rivals.com have short bios for virtually every college recruit in the country, they cease to be viable measures of notability for college athletes. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 22:29, 9 November 2014 (UTC)

• Delete Non-notable fails GNG.--Yankees10 04:37, 9 November 2014 (UTC)
• Restore the material in the target article and restore the redirect  Just mark the material in the target article as a former member.  Unscintillating (talk) 05:55, 9 November 2014 (UTC)

::That's not how its done.--Yankees10 08:10, 9 November 2014 (UTC)

:::Are you aware that the nom is systematically removing material from target articles and then un-redirecting and bringing the topic to AfD?.  Unscintillating (talk) 22:48, 9 November 2014 (UTC)

::::Yes and there is absolutely nothing wrong with that. There is players added and removed from these pages all the time. Please don't bother voting if you do not understand how these pages work.--Yankees10 23:01, 9 November 2014 (UTC)

:::::This sounds like the essay WP:Pocket consensus, which says, "...if pocket consensus is challenged, the broader or majority view will carry greater weight than mere passage of time."  WP:PRESERVE is a policy.  It says, among many other things, {{cquote|1=Instead of removing text, consider:

• Moving the information to another existing article or splitting the information to a new article}}

::::::Unscintillating (talk) 23:43, 9 November 2014 (UTC)

::::::::Most of these guys should never have been on those pages to begin with. Spanneraol (talk) 23:56, 9 November 2014 (UTC)

::{{ping|Unscintillating}} The purpose of articles such as Oakland Athletics minor league players is to list current members. There is no benefit to listing former members. Mellowed Fillmore (talk) 01:48, 10 November 2014 (UTC)

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• Delete Buschmann's playing career does not establish notability per WP:BASE/N and he hasn't received enough independent coverage to pass GNG. Mellowed Fillmore (talk) 17:33, 10 November 2014 (UTC)

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