Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Max Magnus Norman

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PROD tag removed, AfD issue on notability Setwisohi (talk) 20:58, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

Subject seems to a genuine artist but also seems to have no specific or genuine claims to notability. Highish GHits - but these seem to be mostly a kind of mass self-hawking (ie. blogs and directories) rather than what you might expect to see of a notable artist (ie galleries, reviews, newspaper articles etc..). Setwisohi (talk) 21:04, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

• Weak keep since there's two Swedish newspaper articles besides the one in the references, [http://www.st.nu/noje/index.php?action=visa_artikel&id=599097] and [http://www.st.nu/nyheter/lokalt.php?action=visa_artikel&id=672748]. Drmies (talk) 21:16, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

• Hmm.. fair point Drmies. But what bothers me is stuff like this [http://dir.blogflux.com/weblog/403.html]. It sure does look like mass self-promotion. Setwisohi (talk) 21:20, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Living people-related deletion discussions. --Erwin85Bot (talk) 00:03, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
• Yes, and I agree with you that the entry is very self-promoting and requires a serious rewrite, so I se where you're coming from. I consciously never really look at the 'regular' Google hits, because I feel that WP:RS means newspapers and stuff. I'll also grant you that the two articles I found really don't give a lot of in-depth coverage, but I'm prepared to give this article the benefit of the doubt. OK, I've pared it down some (and I'm not proud of my prose) and hope you like it better--it's more verifiable anyway, though I haven't introduced the two sources yet. I think the way to cut self-promotion is sometimes simple--cut those parts! Thanks for the response, and for bringing the article to attention. Drmies (talk) 04:33, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

• Delete Thanks for your work. The article looks a bit better. But after looking at it a bit more this looks like a definite delete to me. The claims to national press coverage are also dubious - he seems to have been in the 'Västerås Express' a local paper, and not the national paper 'Expressen'. Also the claim that he "allegedly" influenced some event in Boston is also not backed up by the article referred to. Setwisohi (talk) 11:06, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Visual arts-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 14:00, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

::Setwisohi, I can't believe I missed the "Vasteras" part, which is printed big enough even for me to see. Tack sa mycket, and thanks for the cleanup; I won't dispute your removal of that allegation--I had hoped that whoever added that would have given a reference. I added the other two (local) sources I found to the article, reorganized and cleaned it up some more, added templates, etc. I personally think the article can stand (OTHERSTUFFEXISTS, haha), but I wanted to polish it up a bit so it could be better judged on its merits, which, frankly speaking, aren't that overwhelming: three references in Swedish regional newspapers to art projects of his. [Note: I just threw in two more, from the Sundsvall Tidning, that prove that he exists and all.] Let the chips fall where they may. Drmies (talk) 15:58, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

::Note--I have no gumption for edit-warring today, but I would like the observer to browse through the article's history and note [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Max_Magnus_Norman&diff=267422357&oldid=267418225 this edit]: a reference to an exhibition featuring Norman's work was removed on the grounds that it "had nothing to do with Iron Maiden." It did in fact have something to do with the band: it was an exhibition planned to coincide with a Maiden show in Stockholm, and that it was organized by Maiden itself was never claimed in the article. [http://www.st.nu/noje/index.php?action=visa_artikel&id=599097 Here's] the newspaper article, which a. is an interview with the artist, not all that long but surely verifying some notability and b. proves that the artist isn't just active in smaller cities like Sundsvall. Thank you. Drmies (talk) 17:01, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

• Delete Two mentions in local newspapers. No major shows. No major critical reviews. Not notable. JaneVannin (talk) 19:10, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

:*Correction: that should be two mentions in local papers, and two (brief) articles about his work--and one interview lost in editing, for reasons I don't agree with. Drmies (talk) 20:26, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

• Keep The Article in Expressen (The second largest newspaper in Sweden) was printed and distributed nationwide. According to [http://sesam.se/nyheter/person/Max+Magnus+Norman this page] there were no less than 38 newspaper articles and reviews about Norman last year. The "self-promotion" issue does indeed not look good but it's also of no weight in this discussion. Bringing up such issues and other makes me wonder if Setwisohi has some personal agenda or grudge against this person? But it's a fact that Norman is one of the most talked about contemporary artists in Sweden currently and his doings has had an impact on the Internet community worldwide. I for instance found several "memes" listed here: http://www.dipity.com/tatercakes/Internet_Memes/ undoubtably set in motion by this artist, that is art not likely to be found in an art gallery. Highbrowser (talk) 20:26, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

:: Norman was not in Expressen, he was in a local paper called Västerås Express - not the same paper. Setwisohi (talk) 22:42, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

:::So that's cleared up: he was in the national newspaper; it's just that the first link was to the local version thereof. And he was mentioned in Aftonbladet (for that 'obscene' picture), the other national newspaper in Sweden. Thanks Highbrowser--though I think you should accept Setwisohi's good faith. Drmies (talk) 01:00, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

• Keep not only featured in numerous local but also in national media, including but not limited [http://maxmagnusnorman.com/artist_blog/art_day_343.shtml] to Expressen [http://www.expressen.se/nyheter/1.1225650/barn-varnas-for-skulpturen-kuken], among other Dagens Nyheter, Aftonbladet and public television SVT and radio SR P4 broadcasters; pretty much all the media you can get in Sweden. ¨¨ victor falk 10:55, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
• There's a bit more [http://sesam.se/search/?c=m&q=%22Max%20Magnus%20Norman%22 here], and the article now has a dozen references. Drmies (talk) 23:47, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
• Keep now that additional sources and citations have been found and added. ChildofMidnight (talk) 06:11, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

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