Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mega-City One

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Very well written piece of fancruft about a fictional location. No evidence of stand-alone notability. Not a shred of analysis. Pure WP:PLOT and list of appearances in media. Fails GNG/NFICTION. This type of content belongs on https://judgedredd.fandom.com/wiki/Mega-City_One PS. Great Cthulthu, help, I am suffering from fancruft overdose: :Template:Judge_Dredd. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 05:28, 26 November 2019 (UTC)

:Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Fictional elements-related deletion discussions. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 05:28, 26 November 2019 (UTC)

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:Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Science fiction-related deletion discussions. Necrothesp (talk) 15:40, 26 November 2019 (UTC)

• Delete. Fails NFICTION/GNG. Pure PLOT. Kacper IV (talk) 12:45, 26 November 2019 (UTC)
• Comment (Flip to Keep) - WP:NFICTION is a FAILED guide, which makes the reliance on it here odd. I can understand relying on an essay that might become a guideline in the future or is thought influential, but not on something that was [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Notability_(fiction)/Archive_49#Final_adoption_as_a_guideline rejected by the community] three eight (!) times already.
  

:This asides, [https://intensitiescultmedia.files.wordpress.com/2013/07/architecture-violence-and-sensation-a-visitor_s-guide-to-mega-city-one-dan-smith.pdf at least this piece appears to treat this subject as notable] though I think more are needed to demonstrate notability per WP:GNG (EDIT: maybe [https://www.architectsjournal.co.uk/critics/top-10-comic-book-cities-1-mega-city-one/5204830.article this one?]). My instinct is that WP:GNG probably is met here as - other than Trantor - MegaCity One is one of the earliest instances of a fictional megapolis but the (very large) number of mentions in Judge Dredd-related works makes the search difficult, so for the moment I am neutral. EDIT: Flip to keep - I think the two references cited above are just enough to get this over the line for notability, in that they discuss the impact of the subject on architecture/culture. FOARP (talk) 15:10, 26 November 2019 (UTC)

::Instead of FOARP's second suggested source, maybe this one instead: [https://www.architectsjournal.co.uk/opinion/city-of-dredd/8635615.article]. By the same person but not paywalled and focuses on MC1 instead of a list of ten locations, Richard75 (talk) 13:39, 2 December 2019 (UTC)

• Keep. As the major setting of a major comic book series, this is as notable as such articles as Gotham City. -- Necrothesp (talk) 15:40, 26 November 2019 (UTC)
• {{editconflict}} Move Judge Dredd to Judge Dredd (character). Create page at Judge Dredd about the franchise/universe by splitting off Judge Dredd#Fictional universe and Judge Dredd#In other media and merge this into it as well as Judge (2000 AD)._{ZXCVBNM (TALK)} 15:43, 26 November 2019 (UTC)

::Comment - I'm not sure that solution addresses the notability point, it just moves it to another article. However if others think it's viable then I'm not against it. Richard75 (talk) 13:53, 27 November 2019 (UTC)

:::I don't think it's independently notable (and nobody in this discussion has linked anything demonstrating significant coverage), but as part of the Judge Dredd universe it has some mentions. And the universe itself should be more notable._{ZXCVBNM (TALK)} 16:05, 27 November 2019 (UTC)

• Delete - Fails to establish notability. I wouldn't be against a redirect to the proposed page above either. TTN (talk) 17:26, 26 November 2019 (UTC)
• Keep per the arguments put forward by User:Necrothesp and the comment by User:FOARP. There's enough here to consider this notable.Vulcan's Forge (talk) 01:08, 27 November 2019 (UTC)
• Keep - it's at least as notable as many other fictional places we have articles for. One source car has already been referred to above and there will be others which can be added to the article. Also, as discussed above, NFICTION isn't a policy or official guideline. The existence of other articles which may not be notable cannot affect or be relevant to the notability of this article. Richard75 (talk) 13:53, 27 November 2019 (UTC)

::Another source (links to a .pdf file) is here: http://ualresearchonline.arts.ac.uk/6093/ . Others: http://sparkarchitects.com/mega-city-one-shenzhen-pearl-river-delta/ https://www.filmcontact.com/news/south-africa/building-dredd’s-mega-city-one https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/360814/14-814-future-cities-visual-history.pdf (.pdf file) Richard75 (talk) 13:52, 2 December 2019 (UTC)

• Keep per all the "keeps" above. Actually a very notable element of the Judge Dredd world, probably the most notable bar the main character himself. Good faith search for sources will find them. Freeknowledgecreator (talk) 01:57, 2 December 2019 (UTC)

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