Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Menotti Lerro (2nd nomination)

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All right, I'll bite, this article is probably not notable. The refbombing makes it really hard to assess the quality of the sources, but even then, it seems most coverage is either WP:ROUTINE or about the movement he founded, empathism. Allan Nonymous (talk) 12:50, 26 September 2024 (UTC)

• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Poetry and Italy. Allan Nonymous (talk) 12:50, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
• Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Authors-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 12:51, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
• Delete per @Netherzone. Tavantius (talk) 16:16, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

:Note that the previous deletion discussion (here [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Menotti_Lerro&oldid=729948629]) is informative as per source quality. I would additionally suggest salting. Allan Nonymous (talk) 13:28, 26 September 2024 (UTC)

::*Comment - Many of the sources are local, and many are written by followers/adherents/members of his so-called "cultural movement", Empathism, who have signed his "manifesto", therefore are not independent.

::Netherzone (talk) 16:14, 26 September 2024 (UTC)

• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Artists and Visual arts. Netherzone (talk) 15:55, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
• Delete - As I'm slogging through the 94 ref-bombed citations I am finding that many of these sources are user-submitted content, blogs, things written by his Empathism adherents and members, and some sources don't mention him at all. The article is bloated with content supported in this way, and I do not think it should remain in the encyclopedia, per WP:PROMO by the two now-blocked sockpuppets (see: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents#Promotional_editing_and_possible_UPE_by_two_SPAs] and [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Gingeksace]). Also WP:TNT, and WP:NOTADVERTISING may apply. Netherzone (talk) 22:05, 26 September 2024 (UTC)

• Delete. For full disclosure I was recently heavily involved in both the ANI thread and the SPI which resulted in the socks being blocked. However, I agree with the positions taken by Allan Nonymous and Netherzone above. The fact that the equivalent article was deleted on Italian Wikipedia on notability grounds is, I suspect, a relevant consideration here. Axad12 (talk) 03:28, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

• Delete — maybe if this were started from scratch by impartial editors it could amount to something, but as things stand, it’s irremediably tainted by promotional spam. — Biruitorul ^Talk 12:36, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

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• Keep - I do not know what this editor(s) did so bad, but I think that this profile od Menotti Lerro, also born as a draft accepted, did not need spam to be encyclopedic. I see academic monographies dedicated to the Author. A lot of relevant articles "Poesia" international magazine more times since 2003 (therefore 17 years before his movement), and articles written by Roberto Carifi, Nuovi Argomenti main Italian literary magazine, Avvenire by Maurizio Cucchi who wrote also on La Stampa in 2006. The author developed Cilento Poetry Prize financed by Italian Ministry of Culture for 140.500 Euro (seems very relevant thing to me...), his prize, was written in the page, has been now given to the Nobel Prize Jon Fosse who did not adhere to the movement... Same in the Movement there is the other Nobel Prize Olga Tokarczuk but she did not receive the prize (so did not adhered for this...). His movement is published in Academic volume The Empathic Movement (CSP: 2023). The same movement started in 2020 while the prize started 2017 (therefore it is not true that Lerro was convincing authors giving them the prize... at the least no in the first 3 years and no Jon Fosse, because he did not adhered, who is pretty relevant author and example, I guess. The author taught in Universities and has 4 academic degrees (MA from UK and PhD) and he is author of both: academic and creative volumes (around 40). I really do not understand why he did not earn to be on the free encyclopedy... Maybe the editor(s) did mistake (I do not see the real reason for them, but you should maybe to be a bit more open about the author himself...Heremsun (talk) 16:21, 27 September 2024 (UTC)— Heremsun (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
• :@Heremsun, welcome, it's interesting that out of the blue on your very first edit of WP, you would find this AfD to make your very first edit. Please tell us how that coincidence occurred. You sound a bit familiar, have you other accounts? Netherzone (talk) 16:40, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

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• Delete Seems to be a WP:TNT case right enough. I thought because he was poet but looked at a whole bunch of the references (not the whole first block though) and seems to be non-notable. Which is unfortunate really. If it wasn't empathism and the concerted effort to stuff it full of crap along with the several articles I came across mentioning the term during NPP sprint, I suspect there could be enough for a wee stub as a poet. These directed action gangs on here turn a lot of people off. Its unfortunate. scope_creep^Talk 10:19, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
• Delete per WP:TNT. It’s so poorly written, designed, formatted, and duplicative (especially references) that, even if an argument could be made that he’s notable, the article would have to be written from scratch. If the subject paid for this crap, then he was scammed. Bearian (talk) 19:15, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
• Delete Wow, Cambridge Scholars Publishing. That takes me back. Anyway, this is a heap of vanispamcruftisement. XOR'easter (talk) 00:06, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
• :I thought Cambridge Scholars Pub. seemed a slightly dodgy. Thanks for that link. Netherzone (talk) 00:13, 1 October 2024 (UTC)

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