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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Michael Bletsas

:The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. Original close was "The result was delete. Since sources have not been provided the delete arguments have not been refuted Spartaz Humbug! 11:02 pm, Today (UTC+3)" but on a second look after a nudge on my talk page I think I got this wrong so I'm reclosing as no-consensus Spartaz Humbug! 20:17, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

=[[Michael Bletsas]]=

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I can't see anything in the article that meets notability guidelines. (borderline importance asserted). I also can't find any significant coverage in reliable sources. Some gnews hits are foreign-language, so if significant coverage can be demonstrated there, I will be happy to withdraw. BelovedFreak 10:00, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

:Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 01:01, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

:Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 01:00, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

  • Second relist rationale. The article is a BLP. --Ron Ritzman (talk) 01:01, 7 July 2010 (UTC)
  • Keep - he's a founder of a large publicly listed company, and an important member of the One Laptop Per Child project. That's good enough for me. - Richard Cavell (talk) 01:14, 7 July 2010 (UTC)
  • This claim that he co-founded Velti is only supported by a COI press release. Abductive (reasoning) 20:07, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
  • Keep - I concur, he may not be well known but the company is. It's enough for me. Fridae'§Doom | Talk to me 05:07, 7 July 2010 (UTC)
  • Comment as nominator - well done to the work put in by David Eppstein, it's much better. I'm not completely convinced that the subject meets notability guidelines, but my stance is now neutral.--BelovedFreak 17:08, 7 July 2010 (UTC)
  • Comment - The article makes refereces to TWO Michail Bletsas's go to the Director of Computing at MIT's webpage and you'll see it makes NO MENTION of One Laptop per child, I retract my previous comment in favour of deletion. I only just realised this. Fridae'§Doom | Talk to me 04:35, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
  • Two different people both named Michail Bletsas, both of whom have worked closely with Nicholas Negroponte (founder of both OLPC and the Media lab at MIT where MB is director of computing)? That seems an unlikely coincidence. —David Eppstein (talk) 05:36, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
  • The One Laptop per Child article reveals no mention of Michael Bletsas, and shows that the actual power behind it is Nicholas Negroponte. Many other people are mentioned in that article, but not Michael Bletsas. Abductive (reasoning) 19:35, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
  • What are you doing reading our Wikipedia article and trying to use it as a source? Read the sources listed on Bletsas' article instead. They mention him, prominently. —David Eppstein (talk) 23:32, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
  • The CCNC blurb about him is not reliable; he likely wrote it. Velti.com does not mention him; [http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&as_q=Bletsas&as_epq=&as_oq=&as_eq=&num=10&lr=&as_filetype=&ft=i&as_sitesearch=velti.com&as_qdr=all&as_rights=&as_occt=any&cr=&as_nlo=&as_nhi=&safe=images]. Being a speaker at some conferences doesn't mean much to me. Abductive (reasoning) 01:33, 9 July 2010 (UTC)
  • The CCNC blurb is used only to source factual material about Bletsas, so it's not relevant for a discussion of his notability. He appears to no longer be associated with Velti—when I edited the article, I removed an assertion that he was on its board of directors—so why should they still mention him? And you're entitled to your opinion, of course. —David Eppstein (talk) 03:31, 9 July 2010 (UTC)
  • Check the MIT Michail Bletsas' web page and you'll see no mention of OLPC, in fact the Wikipedia article itself makes reference to both of them as though they were one person, check OLPC's webpage and you'll find it doesn't make a mention about Bletsas being the MIT Director of Computing and frankly the OLPC Bletsas is far more notable. Fridae'§Doom | Talk to me 12:05, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
  • [http://investing.businessweek.com/research/stocks/people/person.asp?personId=108533045&ticker=HTO:GA&previousCapId=393661&previousTitle=HELLENIC%20TELECOMMUN%20ORGANIZA This reference] I added to the article recently has both MIT and OLPC in one page. Softarch Jon (talk) 04:20, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

{{deindent}} The Source you linked is not very notable or verifiable for that matter. http://web.media.mit.edu/~mbletsas/ Here read that. Fridae'§Doom | Talk to me 06:10, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

  • Delete. The real deal is that many millions of people have had some success in their careers and received some mention in the press. But encyclopedia articles are supposed to tell the reader something above and beyond a CV and a scrapbook. Knowledge of Michael Bletsas is not necessary to an understanding of any other topic. Without context and a claim of notability these sorts of articles must be deleted. Abductive (reasoning) 19:31, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
  • Delete - As per my above comments, neither of the Michail/Michael Bletsas have that much notability among the community, I've only heard one mention of them on the news, sure the OLPC founder has some standing among the community his notability is still next-to-nothing... Fridae'§Doom | Talk to me 12:08, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
  • No "neither" here: this is one and the same person; see my remark above. Softarch Jon (talk) 04:22, 12 July 2010 (UTC)
  • Keep. He is discussed in a number of sources. Sufficient publicity to make him of interest to read about. The article has nearly dozen references. Softarch Jon (talk) 04:14, 12 July 2010 (UTC)
  • Comment - Go to the official MIT edu website: http://web.media.mit.edu/~mbletsas/ no mention of OLPC whatsoever, if it were of importance it would be listed. I haven't found any information about MIT on OLPC either. So there are 2 of them and both are different. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fridae'sDoom (talk • contribs)
  • Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. You're very stubborn, but I don't see the point of it here when there's so much other evidence that they're one person. Also, this web page is a primary source and we should be using secondary sources when possible. Also also, [http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://web.media.mit.edu/~mbletsas/ according to archive.org], he hasn't updated his MIT web page since 2006. —David Eppstein (talk) 04:31, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
  • Acknowledged, however, we still lack some reliable sources. Fridae'§Doom | Talk to me 03:23, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

:The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.