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Local activist in Buffalo, New York. The creator of the page appears to be Michael Gainer or someone close to him, judging by the fact that all of their edits are on Gainer's page or related pages and that they uploaded [https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:MichaelGainer.jpg this photo of him] and tagged it as their own work. I don't see the argument for notability here. He doesn't seem to have gotten any in-depth news coverage of him as a person, even within Buffalo. There does seem to be a lot of coverage of the group he founded, Buffalo ReUse, so maybe that group could have a page, but not Gainer himself. Many of the articles about ReUse don't even mention Gainer. BottleOfChocolateMilk (talk) 16:10, 26 May 2025 (UTC)

:Keep: I'm not affiliated with Gainer other than creating the article. Photograph is from my archive. I took care to make sure the article is well-sourced, so I'm not sure why you would question his notability. TheNewMinistry (talk) 16:17, 26 May 2025 (UTC)

:Comment: Also, please be aware that Democratic supporters tried to get the page for India Walton deleted as non-notable multiple times during the leadup to the 2021 Buffalo mayoral election, as she was the only progressive in the race. I feel Democratic supporters for Gainer's opponents might be trying to do the same here, as he is a viable candidate for the 2025 Buffalo mayoral election. TheNewMinistry (talk) 16:39, 26 May 2025 (UTC)

::Oh, is this why you accused me of having a conflict of interest with zero evidence? LOL. Not everything is a big conspiracy, sometimes a person just isn't notable enough for a Wikipedia page. Do you have any evidence that "Democratic supporters" were trying to remove India Walton's page or is that just another conspiracy theory with nothing to back it up? BottleOfChocolateMilk (talk) 22:54, 26 May 2025 (UTC)

:::You are not engaging in good-faith, so I won't address you further. You can read the AFD logs for yourself. I've been here a lot longer than you, and unlike yourself I edit a broad range of topics.TheNewMinistry (talk) 23:12, 26 May 2025 (UTC)

::::You are seriously accusing BottleOfChocolateMilk of bad faith after you more or less accused them of being part of a conspiracy to? If you have no proof then that's like ANI-worthy levels of bad faith. Best, GPL93 (talk) 16:38, 27 May 2025 (UTC)

:::::Comment: This comment comes from someone who is clearly referring to a separate matter where BottleOfChocolateMilk is [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Conflict_of_interest/Noticeboard#BottleOfChocolateMilk being investigated] for conflict of interest editing. He [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Conflict_of_interest/Noticeboard&diff=prev&oldid=1292456300 posted a link] to this AFD page last night to initiate vote brigading. TheNewMinistry (talk) 16:49, 27 May 2025 (UTC)

  • Delete. Neither DNC representative nor mayoral candidate passes WP:NPOL. Heavily refbombed making it difficult to determine whether any sources are sufficiently independent and in-depth to pass WP:GNG. The sources in [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Michael_Gainer&oldid=1292432927 the version I examined] appear to be from non-independent publishers (1, 4, 8), non-in-depth campaign-related (2-3, 10, 36-44, 46-47), reliable news stories about other topics that mention Gainer but have no depth of coverage about him (5-7, 14, 31-33, 48-50, 52), interviews (non-independent in content despite publisher; 9, 15), not reliable (35, 45) or background material not about Gainer at all (16,51). Many of the sources are more about Buffalo ReUse than Gainer (11-13, 17-30, 34) and might support notability for Buffalo ReUse, in which case we could redirect to an article on it rather than outright deletion, but I don't think those sources have enough depth of coverage on Gainer himself to support an independent article. If the article creator is trying to promote mayoral candidates with a certain agenda, they should not be surprised when their articles are brought up for deletion, not because we are biased towards or against that agenda, but because Wikipedia has safeguards against promotionalism in general and NPOL is one of them. —David Eppstein (talk) 23:06, 26 May 2025 (UTC)
  • :Comment: Environmental historian Charles Lockwood identified and interviewed the top 25 global environmentalists for his 2009 book The Green Quotient: Insights from Leading Experts on Sustainability{{cite web | title=The Green Quotient: Insights from Leading Experts on Sustainability | website=Internet Archive | date=2009 |author=Lockwood, Charles|isbn=9780874201215| url=https://archive.org/details/greenquotientins0000lock | pages=171-178 | access-date=May 23, 2025}}. He dedicated a chapter to interviewing Michael Gainer, and these are the other subjects he interviewed: Thomas L. Friedman, Ché Wall, William D. Browning, Christopher B. Leinberger, James Howard Kunstler, William McDonough, Björn Stigson, Jaime Lerner, Hank Dittmar, Elizabeth Economy, Rick Fedrizzi, Paul Hawken, Vivian Loftness, David Gottfried, Julian Darley, Robert S. Davis, Maria Atkinson, Ron Sims, Frances Beinecke, Mindy Lubber, Van Jones, Earl Blumenauer, and Cesar Ulises Trevino. Darley and Lubber pass WP:GNG, but Gainer does not? TheNewMinistry (talk) 19:46, 27 May 2025 (UTC) TheNewMinistry (talk) 19:46, 27 May 2025 (UTC)
  • ::That was one of the sources I already considered, and classified as "more about Buffalo ReUse than Gainer". But per your comments here we can also classify it under "interviews (non-independent in content despite publisher)". Either way it does not contribute towards the sort of significant independent coverage of Gainer himself needed for WP:GNG. —David Eppstein (talk) 18:23, 28 May 2025 (UTC)

::::To piggyback off David Eppstein's reply there's the obvious WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS policy answer, but the assertion made Gainer is one of the "top 25 environmentalists" would imply that Charles Lockwood was somehow a supreme authority overall via a book that fails N:BOOK. That's even more troubling when you take into account that 80% of the "top environmentalists of the world" are from the US and only 2 (Stigson and Trevino) of the 25 appear to have been operating from non-English speaking countries. I would also love to know how many of Lockwood's "top 25" were clients of his consulting business but a simple search hasn't been able to unearth anything. Best, GPL93 (talk) 18:49, 28 May 2025 (UTC)

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  • Delete Per David Eppstein's reasoning, although "DNC representative" is generous to take it lightly. He was elected as a member of his county's democratic committee by receiving a whopping [https://elections.erie.gov/Files/Election%20Results/2024/Primary%202024%20Canvass%20Book%20(Democratic).pdf 36 total votes] in a party-specific election for one of at least 11 committee seats in his district. In general, mayoral candidates and especially primary candidates are considered non-notable. Best, GPL93 (talk) 16:38, 27 May 2025 (UTC)
  • :Comment: Vote should be disregarded, as GPL93 admittedly came here from the COI Noticeboard where BottleOfChocolateMilk linked to this AFD[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Conflict_of_interest/Noticeboard&diff=prev&oldid=1292456300] for purposes of vote brigading. TheNewMinistry (talk) 17:00, 27 May 2025 (UTC)

:::this is just sad BottleOfChocolateMilk (talk) 17:03, 27 May 2025 (UTC)

::::TheNewMinistry I had no knowledge of the WP:COIN case against BottleOfChocolateMilk at the time of my comment and vote. Can you show me the specific proof? I actually found this AfD through a check of Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Pennsylvania. This is another personal attack BTW. Of course, if you think this is a true case of brigading you are obviously more than welcome to report me to ANI. Best, GPL93 (talk) 17:56, 27 May 2025 (UTC)

:::::Comment: Proof? Sure, we have lots of that here:

:::::[https://xtools.wmcloud.org/topedits/en.wikipedia.org/GPL93/4/WikiProject%20Deletion%20sorting/Pennsylvania GPL93 - Top Edits]

:::::You haven't made an edit off the Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Pennsylvania page since September 17, 2024. Nice try. TheNewMinistry (talk) 18:15, 27 May 2025 (UTC)

::::::TheNewMinistry Holy Shit you're right! It's almost like I instead commented and voted on the previously listed actual AfD pages like Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Md Amiruzzaman and Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Pennsylvania Young Democrats in the past month or so alone and it's not because I haven't started an AfD that needed to be categorized under Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Pennsylvania since then instead. It looks like the Admins have told you that ANI is where you need to file against BottleOfChocolateMilk at WP:ANI anyway, you can report me as well if you feel the need to. Best, GPL93 (talk) 18:24, 27 May 2025 (UTC)

  • Admin comment I have p-blocked TheNewMinistry from here and the article and warned them against disruption or the block would be broader. Star Mississippi 01:55, 28 May 2025 (UTC)