Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Michael Serwa

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A personal-services advert for a "life coach", with no sign of actual biographical notability, just the usual passing mentions. Calton | Talk 01:07, 2 September 2018 (UTC)

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• Keep Not your average life coach. Worked with some important people. Not to mention its well-cited far from "passing mention" Freetheangels (talk) 20:26, 2 September 2018 (UTC)

:* Not your average life coach.

::*Proof?

:*Worked with some important people.

::*1) Who? 2) So what? Notability is not inherited.

:*Not to mention its well-cited far from "passing mention"

::*Which of those citations qualify as in-depth?

:*And as long as I'm here: do you have a conflict of interest here? --Calton | Talk 20:45, 2 September 2018 (UTC)

::: The fact that you even asked these question shows that you neither read the article, looked at the citations or did any independent research on the subject of the article. As for conflict of interest I have to ask, do you have a conflict of conflict of interest? Why are you so determined to get this article deleted? Freetheangels (talk) 04:01, 5 September 2018 (UTC)

::::I hate spam. Why are YOU so determined to see this on Wikipedia that you resort to falsehoods about the sources? And I'm still waiting for you to declare whether you have a conflict of interest. Be sure about your answer, sir. --Calton | Talk 05:29, 10 September 2018 (UTC)

• Comment it's certainly crap. I'm not sure if coverage such as [https://metro.co.uk/2014/01/28/ditch-your-tv-and-dont-watch-the-news-advice-from-a-no-nonsense-life-coach-4279092/] gives him a Dr. Oz-style notability, or it's just advertorial promotion of his book/business. power~enwiki (π, ν) 03:17, 3 September 2018 (UTC)
• Keep. Average life coaches do not have a Forbes article with them as the subject. Portfolio Magazine and Citymatters also have him as the subject; while they are weaker sources, I still think the article passes WP:ANYBIO. Ifnord (talk) 00:37, 5 September 2018 (UTC)

:Average life coaches do not have a Forbes article with them as the subject

:Except that it's NOT a Forbes article, it's their self-published blog section. The Portfolio piece is an interview, so effectively a primary source, and Citymatters is a hyperlocal site (their term) with no reputation as a reliable source I'm aware of. If this is how you analyze sources, maybe you shouldn't be approving new articles, like you did this one.

:Also, you forgot to mention that you were [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Ifnord&diff=858080317&oldid=857420995 canvassed] to this discussion. --Calton | Talk 00:56, 5 September 2018 (UTC)

::I notice you take up a lot of screen space in your discussions, rather than simply type out text. I also note from your talk page you are a little confrontational. I feel the combination akin to bullying rather than discussion. Perhaps you shouldn't be proposing articles for deletion. Ifnord (talk) 01:59, 5 September 2018 (UTC)

::: Some fact-checking. The Forbes article written about Michael Serwa is not a self-published blog as Calton suggests but a legit article written by Andrew Cave a business journalist. Freetheangels (talk) 04:50, 5 September 2018 (UTC)

::::Except it's not. Please don't misuse a term like "fact-checking". --Calton | Talk 05:31, 10 September 2018 (UTC)

• Keep Thanks for contributing to this discussion. I tried to improve this article as much as possible. Michael Serwa is far from your average life coach anyone who cared to do some research would come to this conclusion. Not only has he worked with some of the biggest names in: business, science, technology, government and the arts but he has written and been the subject of multiple article including Forbes magazine. Who has he worked with? He mention no one by full name but by reading through some of his citations, looking at his website and doing some research you can make some educated guesses. I also went to mention that Serwa is the only life coach to ever appear in the Spears 500 catalog. This listing was mentioned when the article was originally published but was removed shortly after. I feel this is worth mentioning because the Spears 500 catalog is considered the must have catalog for the rich and powerful and listing are chosen based on a persons credentials. Notthesteps (talk) 19:28, 8 September 2018 (UTC)

:*Yes, it's so prestigious that Wikipedia doesn't even have an article about it. --Calton | Talk 05:26, 10 September 2018 (UTC)

• Delete. The Forbes article is on their blog section. wumbolo ^^^ 10:43, 9 September 2018 (UTC)
• Comment Forbes article is a legit article written by one of their financial journalist's Andrew Cave and not just some blog. Personal notable not just because of Forbes article but because of the work he done and the reputation he built.Freetheangels (talk) 17:48, 9 September 2018 (UTC)

:*Forbes article is a legit article written by one of their financial journalist's Andrew Cave

:*Really. So why is in their blog section? Why does the author credit says "Andrew Cave, Contributor"?: I don't see the words "Staff" or "Forbes Reporter" or any synonym thereof. And then there's the notice attached: "Opinions expressed by Forbes Contributors are their own.

:*In other words, your claim is straight-up false. --Calton | Talk 20:05, 9 September 2018 (UTC)

::* Article is legit the author of the article Andrew Cave is a business writer with Forbes and other publications [https://www.linkedin.com/in/andrew-cave-1551715/]. Freetheangels (talk) 03:59, 10 September 2018 (UTC)

:::*Again, absolutely false. 1) It's in the Forbes.com blog section: it's NOT Forbes magazine and it's NOT an "article". See here. 2) Andrew Cave is NOT a financial journalist for Forbes, as your LinkedIn profile. He doesn't work for Forbes. Please stop persisting in citing this falsehood. --Calton | Talk 05:26, 10 September 2018 (UTC)

• Delete. Advertising, likely covert, that is excluded from Wikipedia by policy. MER-C 10:18, 10 September 2018 (UTC)

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