Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mike Abrams (criminal)

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Tagged for sourcing issues since 2017. Not clear the subject meet WP:GNG or is compliant with WP:CRIMINAL.4meter4 (talk) 09:10, 11 January 2025 (UTC)

• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: People, Crime, and New York. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 11:25, 11 January 2025 (UTC)

Delete: Notability not established. No inline citations whatsoever. Spideog (talk) 11:38, 11 January 2025 (UTC)

• Keep. I never know how to write these mobster articles, but he is described as a significant mobster in several books on the topic, including topical crime encyclopedias. [https://archive.org/details/gangsofnewyorkin0000asbu_d1c8/page/n3/mode/2up?q=%22Big+Mike+Abrams%22] [https://archive.org/details/encyclopediaofam00sifa/page/2/mode/2up?q=%22Big+Mike+Abrams%22] [https://archive.org/details/encyclopediaofwo0000unse_f2i0/page/12/mode/2up?q=%22Big+Mike+Abrams%22]. I will add sources later PARAKANYAA (talk) 01:08, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
• :Everything in the article was in those two books. Could probably be expanded further he's covered a decent amount but it at least verifies now. PARAKANYAA (talk) 01:16, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
• :@Spideog Does my addition of inline citations change your mind in any way? PARAKANYAA (talk) 04:22, 28 January 2025 (UTC)

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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 07:47, 18 January 2025 (UTC)

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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris ^talk! 09:32, 26 January 2025 (UTC)

• [redacted] Keep The subject does not meet criteria for WP:CRIME. He is not internationally renowned, and there is no separate coverage except for citations in other compendiums (encyclopedias), as detailed in paragraph 3 of notability guideline. Silvymaro (talk) 12:09, 26 January 2025 (UTC)
• :@Silvymaro It is not required that a criminal be "internationally renowned" to have an article, that is for 1 event type crimes as indicated by the guideline saying this applies with those known for a single crime or trial, which he is not. Not so for mobsters or people who are known for serial criminality. Firstly, not all the books that cover him that I linked are encyclopedias, and secondly reliable encyclopedias do count for notability - why wouldn't they? There are many sources not used here but the complaint was sourcing issues, which I addressed. GNG and NBASIC are both passed and he is not a BIO1E. There are dozens of pages in books about him. PARAKANYAA (talk) 04:20, 28 January 2025 (UTC)
• ::@PARAKANYAA Okay. I see your point. I am not sure exactly how to interpret Wiki community / notability rules in this specific case, but I will withdraw my vote. Silvymaro (talk) 17:43, 30 January 2025 (UTC)

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