Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mohammed Tayea

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Does not appear to meet WP:GNG requirements and Wikipedia:Notability (people). I searched online and could not find any verifiable references to demonstrate the notability of this person. A previous PROD had failed because it was said the individual was a member of the Egyptian parliament, however I could find no information to verify this. Coldupnorth (talk) 22:10, 27 February 2025 (UTC)

• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Politicians and Egypt. Shellwood (talk) 22:14, 27 February 2025 (UTC)
• Delete: I have searched every possible repository for sources and I am unable to find anything about this person. Best, Reading Beans, Duke of Rivia 20:03, 28 February 2025 (UTC)
• Delete: Non-notable search did not reveal any notable sources. ®asteem Talk 09:14, 1 March 2025 (UTC)
• Delete: The subject would be notable if he were Parliament of Egypt but without any sources we can't be sure that the article isn't a WP:HOAX. Obi2canibe (talk) 11:01, 1 March 2025 (UTC)
• Delete per WP:V. I [https://www.google.com/search?q=%22Mohammed+Ali+Tayea%22+-wikipedia&sca_esv=b6effe6b46dbd085&ei=Hh3EZ6qJObfq1e8P0-GB4AY&oq=%22Mohammed+Ali+Tayea%22+-wikipedia&gs_lp=EhNtb2JpbGUtZ3dzLXdpei1zZXJwIh8iTW9oYW1tZWQgQWxpIFRheWVhIiAtd2lraXBlZGlhSOohUKERWMEacAB4AJABAJgBpwGgAb4EqgEDNS4xuAEDyAEA-AEBmAIAoAIAmAMAiAYBkgcAoAeOAg&sclient=mobile-gws-wiz-serp did a search under his full name], but I only found one source or its mirrors, FamousFix, which is formerly known as WhosDatedWho, both of which are unreliable celebrity fan websites. Also, [https://www.google.com/search?client=safari&sca_esv=b6effe6b46dbd085&channel=iphone_bm&q=Qurran+Charity+suez&nfpr=1&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjQpNT8h-uLAxXllK8BHbK8BUEQvgUoAXoECBAQAg&biw=390&bih=664&dpr=3 there are Zero Google hits for his charity], which doesn't exist. The Wafd Party existed 1919-1952, which it says he was a member of, but it was long before this alleged subject was active. Then it says he was active in the New Wafd Party, which is plausible, but [http://archive.ipu.org/parline-e/reports/arc/EGYPT_1984_E.PDF they won only 15% of the vote in 1984 and had no appointed members]. [https://www.egyptindependent.com/egypts-oldest-liberal-party-faces-controversy-over-alliance-brotherhood/ Nor is he mentioned as one of the four party leaders in the only article that I could find about it]. The supposed list of activities is riddled with red links. Based upon my several online searches, and reasonable inferences, this page is a hoax. Bearian (talk) 09:20, 2 March 2025 (UTC)
• :@Bearian if this gets closed tomorrow as a delete/hoax, it'll be exactly 16 years. Kazamzam (talk) 15:10, 3 March 2025 (UTC)
• ::Isn't there a list of hoaxes here? Bearian (talk) 15:16, 3 March 2025 (UTC)
• :::Yes, if this is a hoax, it would be one of the older ones at Wikipedia:List of hoaxes on Wikipedia Coldupnorth (talk) 15:43, 3 March 2025 (UTC)
• Delete: The Arabic version of the page (:ar:محمد طايع) from which this was translated (mirrored [https://www.marefa.org/%D9%85%D8%AD%D9%85%D8%AF_%D8%B9%D9%84%D9%8A_%D8%B7%D8%A7%D9%8A%D8%B9 here]), was deleted in 2010 due to lack of notability. No evidence of him found by searching for his name in Arabic except for this memorial [https://www.facebook.com/MohamedTayeaa/ Facebook page]. Turtlecrown (talk) 13:50, 2 March 2025 (UTC)
• Comment - per [https://www.petroleumfuture.net/details/28371/%D9%85%D8%AD%D9%85%D8%AF-%D8%B7%D8%A7%D9%8A%D8%B9..%D8%B5%D8%A7%D8%AD%D8%A8-%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%AC%D9%84%D8%A8%D8%A7%D8%A8-%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%B5%D8%B9%D9%8A%D8%AF%D9%8A-%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%B0%D9%8A-%D8%AC%D8%B0%D8%A8-%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%A3%D9%86%D8%B8%D8%A7%D8%B1-%D9%81%D9%8A-%D8%A5%D9%8A%D8%AC%D9%8A%D8%A8%D8%B3 this website] there was an Upper Egypt MP in 2024 by the same name. But seems to be a different person anyhow. --Soman (talk) 19:33, 5 March 2025 (UTC)
• Comment - In [https://books.google.at/books?id=CwJRAAAAYAAJ al-Muṣawwar] reporting on 1984 election result with names of winning candidates and their constituencies, we find the following on Google Books "وفى المنيا : حصل الوفد على مقعدين هما مقعد فاروق طه في الدائرة الاولى وأحمد شمرول في الدائرة محمد على طايع . وفى الاسكندرية : فاز الوفد وفى الدائرة الثالثة فاز الوفد" ... but I don't see the text directly and there seems to be some mark-up error. It does seems like Mohammed Ali Taie is one of the winning candidates, but the sentence seems wrong, perhaps text from one line got mixed up with another. --Soman (talk) 19:51, 5 March 2025 (UTC)
• Keep - [http://cedej.bibalex.org/DocumentFrm.aspx?documentID=109684&lang=en&All=%d8%b7%d8%a7%d9%8a%d8%b9 Al-Ahrar article from 1986] confirms he was a member of parliament. There is a photo of him as well in the article. --Soman (talk) 20:33, 5 March 2025 (UTC)
• Comment - in an article in [https://books.google.at/books?id=HDwL20GiPkAC Sabah al-Kheir], seemingly on the 2000 Egyptian election there is a mention of "... and there is Fawzia Taie, the wife of the engineer Mohamed Taie, the late deputy a few weeks ago, who intends to enter the battle on the fortieth day as well." ("وهناك فوزية طايع زوجة المهندس محمد طايع النائب الراحل منذ أسابيع التي تنوى دخول المعركة في الأربعين أيضا"). [https://books.google.at/books?newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&id=jFVGAAAAYAAJ This book, p. 40] seems to confirm his membership in parliamentary housing committee, but snippet view makes getting full context. [https://books.google.com.py/books?newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&id=G5IcAAAAMAAJ This book] mentions him as an engineer and former MP ("مهندس محمد طايع - عضو مجلس الشعب السابق"). --Soman (talk) 21:05, 5 March 2025 (UTC)

:Comment: There is a purported photo of him in the deleted Arabic Wikipedia article that we could try to check if it matches the 1986 paper, but I can't tell if any of the photos in the 1986 paper match it. Here is the relevant section from the old Arabic Wikipedia article that seems to describe his political career, which I don't fully understand:

:"فى عام 1984 عاد حزب الوفد الجديد الى الساحة السياسية من جديد وقررت الهيئة الوفدية خوض الانتخابات عام 1984 في كل دوائر الجمهورية وفى السويس قرر الحزب خوض الانتخابات بقائمة وجاء محمد على طايع على رأس القائمة لما يحظى به من تأييد وشعبية جارفة لدى أبناء سوهاج وكذلك بعض أبناء العصبيات الأخرى وأجريت الانتخابات في جو ديمقراطى حصل فيها الوفد على نسبة تقدر 58 عضو على مستوى الجمهورية وحصل الوفد على مقعد وحيد للفئات وهو مقعد المهندس / محمد على طايع . واستمر المجلس الى عام 1987 بعد أن صدر قرار جمهورى بحل المجلس بناءاً على حكم من المحكمة الدستورية بعدم دستوريته والعودة الى النظام الفردى ويعتبر هذا المجلس هو الاول في عهد الرئيس حسنى مبارك ويعتبر حل المجلس قبل استكمال دوره تأكيداً على حرص الرئيس مبارك على سيادة القانون واحترامه ."

:Or, through Google Translate:

:"In 1984, the New Wafd Party returned to the political arena again and the Wafdist body decided to run in the 1984 elections in all constituencies of the republic. In Suez, the party decided to run in the elections with a list and Mohamed Ali Taie came at the top of the list due to the overwhelming support and popularity he enjoyed among the people of Sohag as well as some members of other clans. The elections were held in a democratic atmosphere in which the Wafd obtained an estimated 58 members at the republic level and the Wafd obtained a single seat for the categories, which was the seat of Engineer Mohamed Ali Taie. The council continued until 1987 after a presidential decree was issued to dissolve the council based on a ruling by the Constitutional Court declaring it unconstitutional and returning to the individual system. This council is considered the first during the era of President Hosni Mubarak. The dissolution of the council before completing its term is considered an affirmation of President Mubarak's keenness on the rule of law and respect for it."

:I.e. he ran for the Wafd and the article claims (against what a user above says) that the Wafd did obtain seats, he got specifically the "seat for the categories" (probably a mistranslation). It then says "the council" was dissolved based on a court ruling -- maybe the source of the confusion here is that he was a member of a political body which no longer exists? Mrfoogles (talk) 03:57, 6 March 2025 (UTC)

::Addendum: I think it would be helpful if someone could summarize what the 1986 article says about him -- not speaking Arabic it's hard to make a decision at this AFD as I can't tell how thorough the source is. Mrfoogles (talk) 03:59, 6 March 2025 (UTC)

:::The 'council' that was dissolved following 1987 court ruling was the Majlis ash-Shaab ('Council of the People'), i.e. People's Assembly of Egypt. The photo in the 1986 article is the one to the left in the bottom row, it matches the photo found at marefa. --Soman (talk) 09:11, 6 March 2025 (UTC)

• Comment - another source, [https://archive.org/stream/Addustour1985JordanArabic/Oct%2019%201985%2C%20%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%AF%D8%B3%D8%AA%D9%88%D8%B1%20%28Addustour%29%2C%20%236524%2C%20Jordan%20%28ar%29_djvu.txt here mentioned in a 1985 Jordanian newspaper article] as being part of an Egyptian parliamentary delegation visiting Jordan. [https://archive.org/stream/AlAhali1989EgyptArabic/Mar%2008%201989%2C%20%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%A3%D9%87%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%8A%20%28Al-Ahali%29%2C%20%23387%2C%20Egypt%20%28ar%29_djvu.txt Here] and [https://archive.org/stream/AlAkhbar1984EgyptArabic/Dec%2018%201984%2C%20%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%A3%D8%AE%D8%A8%D8%A7%D8%B1%20%28Al-Akhbar%29%2C%20%2310166%2C%20Egypt%20%28ar%29_djvu.txt here] mentioned his role in parliament. --Soman (talk) 09:27, 6 March 2025 (UTC)
• Comment - perhaps these sources could be added please and then maybe this article improves significantly with notability being demonstrated (WP:HEY)? Coldupnorth (talk) 10:19, 6 March 2025 (UTC)
• Comment - AfD should not be judged based on the presence of sources in the article and AfDs should not be a process for clean-up of articles. See Wikipedia:Notability "Conversely, if the source material exists, even very poor writing and referencing within a Wikipedia article will not decrease the subject's notability." At this point it has in this discussion been manifested that there are multiple sources affirming that Tayea was an MP elected in 1984 (and thus passes WP:NPOL by default), which should suffice to close this AfD process. --Soman (talk) 20:53, 6 March 2025 (UTC)

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