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:The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Mark Arsten (talk) 02:56, 19 October 2012 (UTC)

=[[Money Sharma]]=

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An article about this person has already been deleted in May 2012. See:

10:16, 11 May 2012 JamesBWatson (talk | contribs) deleted page Money sharma (G12: copyright infringement of http://fineartamerica.com/profiles/money-sharma.html G11: Advertising or promotion, & A7: Article about a person, not indicating the importance of the subject) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jschnur (talk • contribs)

  • Comment - No Copyright infringement, Article language is neutral and not promotional. Proper References added in the article in terms of work done..media coverages and articles which Money wrote as a journalist. Also, his images are represented by Corbis, a link to that has also been added. Help of Google can be taken to make additional verifications. (Regarding the images getting published in publications and other details) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 123.201.189.69 (talk) 13:14, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

:Note: This debate has been included in the list of India-related deletion discussions. — Frankie (talk) 16:41, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

:Note: This debate has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. — Frankie (talk) 16:41, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

:Note: This debate has been included in the list of Photography-related deletion discussions. — Frankie (talk) 16:41, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

  • Comment - He was also selected by Nat Geo for his pics submitted in photo contest. here are some of the links -

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::*http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2205906/The-world-Sublime-images-nature-best-vie-prize-2012-National-Geographic-photography-competition.html

::*http://ph.she.yahoo.com/photos/national-geographic-photography-contest-slideshow/

::*http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/17/national-geographic-photo-contest_n_1891300.html#slide=1533641

::*http://news.yahoo.com/photos/national-geographic-photography-contest-slideshow/

::*http://abcnews.go.com/Travel/slideshow/twelve-images-world-17281221

::*http://www.wotshappening.com/12-of-the-best-entries-to-this-years-national-geographic-photography-contest/

::*http://twentytwowords.com/2012/09/20/10-of-the-best-pics-so-far-from-national-geographics-photo-contest/

::*http://riverocolina.blogspot.in/

::*http://travel.uk.msn.com/adventure-travel/stunning-pictures-from-the-national-geographic-photography-contest-2012

::*http://ar.noticias.yahoo.com/fotos/national-geographic-photography-contest-1348167871-slideshow/

::*http://gma.yahoo.com/photos/national-geographic-photography-contest-slideshow/

::*http://au.totaltravel.yahoo.com/travel-ideas/galleries/g/-/14912901/6/national-geographic-photo-contest-2012-total-travels-favourite-photos/

::*http://now.msn.com/national-geographics-2012-photo-contest-entries

::*http://nz.totaltravel.yahoo.com/news-opinions/galleries/g/-/14950120/6/national-geographic-photo-contest-2012-our-favourite-pics/

::*http://english.sina.com/life/p/2012/0924/510022.html

::*http://ca.news.yahoo.com/photos/national-geographic-photography-contest-slideshow/

::*http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2012/09/26/national-geographic-photography-competition-entrants_n_1915561.html?ir=UK+Culture#slide=1570398

::*http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-geographic-photo-contest-2012/2012/09/27/8246b796-08c5-11e2-afff-d6c7f20a83bf_gallery.html#photo=1

::*http://m.dailytelegraph.com.au/travel/gallery-fn2wzmrb-1226482389644?page=6

::*http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/travel/gallery-fn2wzmrb-1226482389644?page=6

::*http://www.businessinsider.com/national-geographic-contest-photos-2012-10?op=1

::*http://www.heraldsun.com.au/travel/galleries/gallery-fn2wzol2-1226482389644?page=6

::*http://www.perthnow.com.au/travel/gallery-fn3017vw-1226482389644?page=6

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:— Preceding unsigned comment added by 123.201.201.118 (talk) 17:39, 8 October 2012 (UTC)

  • Delete - Does not meet WIKI:GNG criteria and lacks notabilty , most references are self created by the IP (May be the author is the candidate himself)Shrikanthv (talk) 13:34, 9 October 2012 (UTC)
  • Comment - Before deletion, please look at the additional information. All the proper notability mentioned, also, if further credentials required, can be searched on corbis, demotix and fotocorp. here is a link which shows his appearance at a site like IMDB http://www.imdb.com/name/nm3168275/news?year=2010 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Apurva003 (talk • contribs) 05:22, 11 October 2012 (UTC)
  • Comment - The main reason to include Mr. Sharma at wikipedia, is that he has been the winner of Nat Geo moment awards, which is one of the most prestigious awards in India. Not only that, his photographs have appeared at several publications along with getting nomiated at many national and international awards — Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.170.86.213 (talk) 06:02, 11 October 2012 (UTC)
  • Additional credibility

::*http://www.theaustralian.com.au/archive/travel-old/gallery-fn3025xv-1226482389644?page=6

::*http://www.washingtonpost.com/2012-national-geographic-photography-contest/2012/09/26/eb2178ac-083c-11e2-9eea-333857f6a7bd_photo.html

::— Preceding unsigned comment added by Apurva003 (talk • contribs) 06:08, 11 October 2012 (UTC)

  • Comment - Have known abt this photographer and he is very popular and famous among photojournalist community across India. His image of Ganga Aarti had made rave reviews in the industry. His images can be searched on fotocorp for reference and many other sites across the world. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 111.91.102.73 (talk) 13:44, 11 October 2012 (UTC)
  • Comment - All The above IPs are single purpose accounts who geolocate to near Mumbai India. Jschnur (talk) 21:56, 11 October 2012 (UTC)

:Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

:Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Mark Arsten (talk) 01:03, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

  • Delete Keep - I see plenty of blogs and photo albums but not much that could be considered "significant coverage" of the subject in reliable sources. Posting links to individual images taken by the subject doesn't really help - that is not really significant coverage of the photographer. Some of the provided references are articles by him, not about him so couldn't possibly be considered reliable-source coverage of the subject for the purposes of WP:GNG. The link-heavy arguments above don't really help and we just don't need that many "references" (especially considering most of them couldn't be considered references at all). 3-4 good ones will always be better than 25 rubbish ones. At the moment, the first reference from the Sakaal Times is probably the best. Try to find a couple more like that and we'll be fairly close I'd say. I have collapsed some of the link-spammy stuff above for ease of reading. Try to highlight one or two that you think meet the guidelines. The aim is to build a consensus, not to talk and talk and talk and talk until those who think it should be deleted just give up. Because they won't. Convince them with persuasive arguments.

:By the way, the use of sock-puppets is considered a serious breach of community trust, as is off-line canvassing. If any of the users / IP addresses above are in fact the same person I would strongly suggest they refrain from "making their case" that way. Stalwart111 (talk) 03:04, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

  • Comment - Hi, this is Apurva and I am from Delhi and trying to get this article up on Wikipedia as I feel this article is important to go up on Wikipedia as it may be searched by many photographers in India and others as Mr. Sharma is a popular name in the industry. As discussed by esteemed editors here, I would like to express that there are a lot of stuff regarding him available here in India in the print form. As mentioned, here are a few scanned copies and PDFs converted into JPEGs which were published in some of the leading publications here in India which is ‘about him’ and not ‘by him’. There are many more but I have managed to get these few. As a brand promoter, he is also involved in promoting online camera store camera.zoomin.com, but since there was no presence about this anywhere on the net, so I didn’t mention. But now I have managed to get these all published stuff regarding him, I am mentioning all of this here. Also, there is no stock puppets involved here in the article.

:*(1). Published in Life 365, one of the leading newspaper which comes out from Pune, Maharashtra India - [http://mariaraj897.picturepush.com/showformat.php?format=1024&alid=232968&imgid=11030741&clid=71311 link] and [http://mariaraj897.picturepush.com/showformat.php?format=1024&alid=232968&imgid=11030909&clid=71311 link].

:*(2). Published in Elle (magazine)’s Indian edition. Probably the biggest credential to support the article, which already has been included in the article earlier but also attaching the jpg converted from pdf. [http://mariaraj897.picturepush.com/showformat.php?format=1024&alid=232968&imgid=11030737&clid=71311 link]

:*(3). Published in The Times of India Probably, the biggest publication in India - [http://mariaraj897.picturepush.com/showformat.php?format=1024&alid=232968&imgid=11030753&clid=71311 link].

:- Apurva003 (talk • contribs) 04:44, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

  • Comment - There are at least three comments from IP editors who have only ever made contributions to this page on Wikipedia. We call that "quacking". It strongly suggests either sock-puppetry or canvassing - where someone has asked people (off-line) to come on to Wikipedia just to "vote" here. Neither is acceptable. This is not a vote - Wikipedia is not a democracy. Consensus is determined on the basis of weight of arguments, not the number of random people you were able to get to vote here. I doubt reviewing admins will give their comments much weight. Best just to leave it at that and hope it doesn't continue. You seem to be working to convince people that some good sources are available. I would hate to see that ended by a block for sock-puppetry. Your work to find sources is far more convincing than WP:ILIKEIT arguments from random IP addresses.

:I have removed "number 2" from your list for you - it was an advertisement and definitely not a reliable source so best just not to have it on the list at all.

:All things considered, there are probably three good sources there and, in my opinion, enough for the subject to be considered to have met WP:GNG. I have changed my opinion above accordingly. As I said from the start - convincing arguments backed by sources and policy will always produce better outcomes than shouting, link-spam or other silly business. I suggest you leave your sources in the list above and let some other editors have their say. There's no guarantee they will agree with my analysis (that's the point of WP:CONSENSUS - they are entitled to their opinion) but the above gives them a chance to have their say. Cheers, Stalwart111 (talk) 05:23, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

  • Nominator's Comment - In light of Stalwart's reasoned comments and the efforts by Apurva003 to establish WP:GNG with reliable sources I am voting against my nomination. So... its a Keep from me (despite the repugnant quacking). Jschnur (talk) 06:29, 12 October 2012 (UTC)
  • Keep Article is a relatively light thin brew, and not really my cup of tea, but has met the technical elements for inclusion. A little unclear about the assertion of being a journalist, rather than a photographer, but time will tell. FeatherPluma (talk) 15:13, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

Some of the additional credentials being added for his role as a journalist at Bollywood hungama and other publications- (since AnimationXpress.com has revamped its site recently, a lot of old data can not be accessed now – but still attaching a few third party links which would assure his profile at AnimationXpress.com.) Rest are the links from other sites where his articles got published. There is an incomplete information in the section Early life and career and also in the first paragraph; specifically in the line – “He started his career in New Delhi in the year 2005 and later moved on to Mumbai in 2006 to work with as a journalist.” - Incomplete scenetence, and dosent mention about his profile at Indiantelevison.com or AnimationXpress.com (AnimationXpress is a sister concern of Indiantelevison.com)

A few additional spelling mistakes and Steve Winter is not the photographer who works with National Geographic. Please remove this link.

http://animagic.in/2008/01/25/film-maker-artists-to-institutes-imbibe-passion-appreciation-of-animation-in-students/

http://www.indiantelevision.com/aac/y2k8/aac732.php

http://www.games2win.com/pr/2006-07/Alok_kejeriwal_Games2win.htm

http://www.bollywoodhungama.com/movies/news/type/view/id/1263325/Break+Ke+Baad%27s+vfx+extravaganza+by+N.+K.+Graphic+Arts

http://www.bollywood.com/node/13255

http://www.bollywood.com/asias-fastest-supercomputer-props-indian-animation

http://www.bollywoodhungama.com/movies/news/type/view/id/1233048/sorttype//VFX+making+of+Raajneeti

http://www.it.iitb.ac.in/~s1000brains/SFF.htm

http://www.bollywoodhungama.com/movies/news/type/view/id/1236398/sorttype//Pixion%27s+VFX+for+Tere+Bin+Laden+makes+it+more+hilarious

Video Article done at Bollywood Hungama, should not be included in the main article, this is just for the editors review here –

http://www.bollywoodhungama.com/celebritymicro/videos/id/36907/type/view/videoid/1199671

http://ishare.rediff.com/video/entertainment/cgtexpo-animation-on-the-move/623964 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 123.201.189.100 (talk) 16:46, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

::Comment Above observations now attended in the article.Rayabhari (talk) 05:05, 13 October 2012 (UTC)

Note for the editors - Minor spelling mistakes corrected, please change Bollywood Hangama - to Bollywood Hungama in the citation point (2) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 123.201.201.102 (talk) 06:28, 13 October 2012 (UTC)

  • Comment - What is the next step towards the article? Can the deletion and citation request message be removed if the article fits according to Wikipedia's policies?

:The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.