Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Monotronic

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I do not think any of the references are substantial enough to establish notability TheLongTone (talk) 11:57, 17 November 2017 (UTC)

:Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 12:02, 17 November 2017 (UTC)

:Note: This debate has been included in the list of New York-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 12:02, 17 November 2017 (UTC)

• Although there isn't anything from the NY Times, there are a number of sources of note that, when added together with the other sources, make the band a notable entity. Here's a Thrillcall entry on the band and some of their music.{{cite web|title=Monotronic Thrillcall|url=https://thrillcall.com/artist/Monotronic|website=Thrillcall|language=en}} A 2015 Governors Ball, one of the largest music festivals in New York City, entry on the band.{{cite web|title=Governors Ball 2015|url=http://curatednycshows.governorsballmusicfestival.com/artists/monotronic|website=Governors Ball Music Festival}} Here is a publishing company, Berghahn Books talking about a book the band leader wrote he cites the experience in the book inspiration for the band. The Google Books link is included as well{{cite web|title=Being and Becoming {{!}} Berghahn Books|url=http://www.berghahnbooks.com/title/ElkholyBeing|website=www.berghahnbooks.com|language=en}}{{cite web|last1=Elkholy|first1=Ramsey|title=Being and Becoming: Embodiment and Experience among the Orang Rimba of Sumatra|url=https://books.google.com/books/about/Being_and_Becoming.html?id=40rCCgAAQBAJ|publisher=Berghahn Books|language=en|date=30 May 2016}} An American Music and Sound article on the Keyboard player as well as his Nord sponsorship page.{{cite web|title=American Music & Sound|url=http://www.americanmusicandsound.com/en/brands/nord/artists/adamAhuja.html|website=www.americanmusicandsound.com}}{{cite web|title=Adam Ahuja {{!}} Nord Keyboards|url=http://www.nordkeyboards.com/artist/adam-ahuja|website=www.nordkeyboards.com|language=en}} A Modern Drummer article and a Zildjian spotlight on their drummer.{{cite web|title=Doug Yowell {{!}} Modern Drummer Magazine|url=https://www.moderndrummer.com/2012/01/doug-yowell/|website=Modern Drummer Magazine|date=18 January 2012}}{{cite web|title=Doug Yowell|url=https://zildjian.com/artists/doug-yowell|website=Zildjian|language=en|date=29 September 2016}} Evans Drumming talking about the Electronics player.{{cite web|title=Evans Drumheads : Artist Detail : Devin Collins|url=http://daddario.com/EvArtistDetail.Page?ActiveID=3551&ArtistId=45798&sid=fc0e4ef0-ea73-468f-ac28-e865e850a3e0|website=daddario.com}} A Pocket Paz Article on their Bass player.{{cite web|title=Alex H.|url=https://www.projectkpaz.com/alex-h|website=www.projectkpaz.com}} A Relix Music Magazine feature from April. As well as their feature on the magazine's soundcloud.{{cite web|title=April_May Relix Magazine Sampler|url=https://www.relix.com/media/audio/april_may_relix_magazine_sampler107|website=Relix}}{{cite web|title=Monotronic - Relix April Feature|url=https://soundcloud.com/relix-magazine/monotronic-michelle-kwan-load-up-the-bong-mp3|language=en}} A V Magazine Summer commercial that uses their music (Down to Earth).{{cite web|title=VTV Takes Coney Island in the Season's Brightest Swimwear|url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6T0MldVQcQ|date=16 June 2017}} A Jam Buzz Festival Feature.{{cite web|title=Meeting of the Minds 10 (Music & Camping Festival- Jibberjazz) - Jam Buzz|url=https://jam.buzz/event/meeting-of-the-minds-10-music-camping-festival-jibberjazz/|website=Jam Buzz}} A Disk Jam festival feature.{{cite web|title=Spotlight News – Disc Jam Music Festival|url=https://www.spotlightnews.com/event/disc-jam-music-festival-2/|website=www.spotlightnews.com}} And finally, their Google play and Itunes music links.{{cite web|title=Monotronic - Music on Google Play|url=https://play.google.com/store/music/artist/Monotronic?id=Avjgaabuwypgqutv7gbdksl357m}}{{cite web|title=Monotronic on Apple Music|url=https://itunes.apple.com/us/artist/monotronic/id648296909|website=itunes.apple.com|language=en-us}} Rocckker13 (talk) 23:16, 17 November 2017 (UTC)
• This kind of wall-of-text reply doesn't make a strong case. Most of these are just machine-generated discographies or republications of the band's own promotional copy; iTunes does not confer notability! The book the lead singer wrote has nothing to do with the band. The American Music and Sound link looks like it was written by Adam Ahuja himself. Can you point to any articles in reliable sources about the band itself? Pburka (talk) 01:24, 18 November 2017 (UTC)

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• Either delete or maybe redirect to Museum of Love who have a track with this name as the Google News search suggests that this track is more notable than the band here. Of course, they could both be notable but with only 46 hits for "Monotronic", and an even more paltry 5 for "Monotronic" -"museum of love" (and two of those seem to be something technical about cars which I don't care to even look at), I'd be much more inclined to say that neither of them are. --DanielRigal (talk) 22:07, 25 November 2017 (UTC)

• Delete, no redirect. Non-notable band whose members mostly have no or tenuous notability. Pburka (talk) 16:11, 3 December 2017 (UTC)

• Keep According to the notability criteria of the Wikipedia Notability (music) guidelines, the article meets criteria on at least 4 counts:

:1. Article subject has been the subject of multiple, non-trivial, published works appearing in sources that are reliable, not self-published, and are independent of the musician or ensemble itself. Works include: A Relix Magazine sampler{{cite web|title=April_May Relix Magazine Sampler|url=https://www.relix.com/media/audio/april_may_relix_magazine_sampler107|website=Relix}}. A VTV magazine swimwear commercial that uses their music{{cite web|title=VTV Takes Coney Island in the Season's Brightest Swimwear|url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6T0MldVQcQ|date=16 June 2017}}. A Thrillcall entry on the band including 1 of their albums.{{cite web|title=Monotronic Thrillcall|url=https://thrillcall.com/artist/Monotronic|website=Thrillcall|language=en}} A 2015 Governors Ball, one of the largest music festivals in New York City, artist confirmation page.{{cite web|title=Governors Ball 2015|url=http://curatednycshows.governorsballmusicfestival.com/artists/monotronic|website=Governors Ball Music Festival}} A publishing company, Berghahn Books, talking about a book and the experience within that the band leader cites as the inspiration for the band. The Google Books link too.{{cite web|title=Being and Becoming {{!}} Berghahn Books|url=http://www.berghahnbooks.com/title/ElkholyBeing|website=www.berghahnbooks.com|language=en}}{{cite web|last1=Elkholy|first1=Ramsey|title=Being and Becoming: Embodiment and Experience among the Orang Rimba of Sumatra|url=https://books.google.com/books/about/Being_and_Becoming.html?id=40rCCgAAQBAJ|publisher=Berghahn Books|language=en|date=30 May 2016}} An American Music and Sound article on the Keyboard player as well as his Nord sponsorship page.{{cite web|title=American Music & Sound|url=http://www.americanmusicandsound.com/en/brands/nord/artists/adamAhuja.html|website=www.americanmusicandsound.com}}{{cite web|title=Adam Ahuja {{!}} Nord Keyboards|url=http://www.nordkeyboards.com/artist/adam-ahuja|website=www.nordkeyboards.com|language=en}} A Modern Drummer article and a Zildjian spotlight on their drummer.{{cite web|title=Doug Yowell {{!}} Modern Drummer Magazine|url=https://www.moderndrummer.com/2012/01/doug-yowell/|website=Modern Drummer Magazine|date=18 January 2012}}{{cite web|title=Doug Yowell|url=https://zildjian.com/artists/doug-yowell|website=Zildjian|language=en|date=29 September 2016}} Evans Drumming talking about the Electronics player.{{cite web|title=Evans Drumheads : Artist Detail : Devin Collins|url=http://daddario.com/EvArtistDetail.Page?ActiveID=3551&ArtistId=45798&sid=fc0e4ef0-ea73-468f-ac28-e865e850a3e0|website=daddario.com}} A Pocket Paz Article on their Bass player.{{cite web|title=Alex H.|url=https://www.projectkpaz.com/alex-h|website=www.projectkpaz.com}} A Jam Buzz Festival Feature.{{cite web|title=Meeting of the Minds 10 (Music & Camping Festival- Jibberjazz) - Jam Buzz|url=https://jam.buzz/event/meeting-of-the-minds-10-music-camping-festival-jibberjazz/|website=Jam Buzz}} A Disk Jam festival feature{{cite web|title=Spotlight News – Disc Jam Music Festival|url=https://www.spotlightnews.com/event/disc-jam-music-festival-2/|website=www.spotlightnews.com}}, A Pixel Gateway Feature{{cite web|title=MONOTRONIC —|url=http://www.gratefulpixel.com/monotronic/|date=23 July 2017}}, and finally, their Google play and Itunes music links.{{cite web|title=Monotronic - Music on Google Play|url=https://play.google.com/store/music/artist/Monotronic?id=Avjgaabuwypgqutv7gbdksl357m}}{{cite web|title=Monotronic on Apple Music|url=https://itunes.apple.com/us/artist/monotronic/id648296909|website=itunes.apple.com|language=en-us}}

:2. Article subject is also an ensemble that contains two or more independently notable musicians, or is a musician who has been a reasonably prominent member of two or more independently notable ensembles. Doug Yowell, who has his own google card and has been referenced in drumming publications including Modern Drummer Magazine{{cite web|title=Modern Drummer Magazine|url=https://www.moderndrummer.com/2012/01/doug-yowell/|website=Modern Drummer Magazine}} and Zildjian{{cite web|title=Zildjian|url=https://zildjian.com/artists/doug-yowell|website=Zildjian.com}}, worked on the film A Home At The End of The World{{cite web|title=A Home At The End of The World|url=http://www.imdb.com/name/nm2924031/|website=IMDB}}, and played with artists including Suzanne Vega and Joe Jackson{{cite web|title=Artist Credits|url=https://www.allmusic.com/artist/doug-yowell-mn0001575026/credits|website=AllMusic.com}}. Ramsey Elkholy, who wrote a text on an Indonesian tribe{{cite web|last1=Elkholy|first1=Ramsey|title=Being and Becoming: Embodiment and Experience Among the Orang Rimba of Sumatra|url=https://books.google.com/books/about/Being_and_Becoming.html?id=GBZWDAAAQBAJ|publisher=Berghahn Books|language=en|date=23 May 2016}}, has also collaborated as an expert on that tribe in other works including The Continuum Complete International Encyclopedia on Sexuality written by Robert T. Francoeur and Raymond J. Noonan{{cite web|last1=Francoeur|first1=Robert T.|last2=Noonan|first2=Raymond J.|title=The Continuum Complete International Encyclopedia of Sexuality|url=https://books.google.com/books?id=dciuj1-F3fYC&pg=PA544&lpg=PA544&dq=Ramsey+elkholy+anthropology&source=bl&ots=NtyEQBZdUO&sig=nM2IEwQyDnz-xapJzIeW4rWGMss&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiR4I2Gm_bXAhWpl-AKHYz9Dw4Q6AEIVjAJ#v=onepage&q=Ramsey%20elkholy%20anthropology&f=false|publisher=A&C Black|language=en|date=2004}} and The Perception of The Enviornment by Tim Ingold{{cite web|last1=Ingold|first1=Tim|title=The Perception of the Environment: Essays on Livelihood, Dwelling and Skill|url=https://books.google.com/books?id=S3GakE5OT-kC&pg=PR10&lpg=PR10&dq=Ramsey+elkholy+anthropology&source=bl&ots=VkCqrWoQ3C&sig=Yt5SOlug-qFVECO-688OBLW26tY&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiahpynp_bXAhUjSt8KHe1GCdg4ChDoAQgoMAA#v=onepage&q=Ramsey%20elkholy%20anthropology&f=false|publisher=Psychology Press|language=en|date=2000}}, and Alex Hayes, a bass player who has studied under and played with Victor Wooten, Edgar Meyer, Steve Bailey, Chuck Rainey and Bela Fleck. Hayes also plays in a separate known band called Uptown Party Down.{{cite web|title=Alex Hayes {{!}} Folk from Brooklyn, NY|url=https://www.reverbnation.com/alexhayes|website=ReverbNation|language=en-us}}{{cite web|title=Alex H.|url=https://www.projectkpaz.com/alex-h|website=www.projectkpaz.com}}

:3. Article subject has performed music for a work of media that is notable, e.g., a theme for a network television show, performance in a television show or notable film, inclusion on a notable compilation album, etc. The Governers ball, one of the largest and most popular music festivals in New York City, drawing in 150,000 attendees annually.{{cite web|title=Governors Ball 2015 Artist Page|url=http://curatednycshows.governorsballmusicfestival.com/artists/monotronic}} Smaller media collaborations include an April magazine sampler for Relix Magazine{{cite web|title=April_May Relix Magazine Sampler|url=https://www.relix.com/media/audio/april_may_relix_magazine_sampler107|website=Relix}}, and being used as the music behind a V Magazine televised commercial.{{cite web|title=VTV Takes Coney Island in the Season's Brightest Swimwear|url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6T0MldVQcQ|date=16 June 2017}}

:4. Article subject has been a featured subject of a substantial broadcast segment across a national radio or TV network. Through Governor's Ball which is broadcast over Sirius XM, a satellite radio broadcast service that operates in the United States, Canada, and Puerto Rico{{cite web|title=SiriusXM to Broadcast Performances from the Annual Governors Ball Music Festival in New York City|url=http://investor.siriusxm.com/investor-overview/press-releases/press-release-details/2015/SiriusXM-to-Broadcast-Performances-from-the-Annual-Governors-Ball-Music-Festival-in-New-York-City/default.aspx|website=investor.siriusxm.com|language=en-CA}} And again, the VTV V Magazine televised commercial.{{cite web|title=VTV Takes Coney Island in the Season's Brightest Swimwear|url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6T0MldVQcQ|date=16 June 2017}} Rocckker13 (talk) 22:30, 6 December 2017 (UTC)

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::*Are you claiming Ramsey Elkholy is an independently notable musician because of his work as an anthropologist? Pburka (talk) 20:56, 8 December 2017 (UTC)

:::*No. I am stating that he is independently notable for his work in anthropology and a musician. And further, that Doug Yowell and Alex Hayes are independently notable musicians as well.Rocckker13 (talk) 09:06, 17 December 2017 (UTC)

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