Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mors Principium Est

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Basically I align and echo my comments from the PROD saying this seems questionably notable and improvable as at best marginally known among those familiar with this but perhaps not notable for Wikipedia yet. Searches only found some passing mentions and nothing surprisingly better and the albums have some reviews but I still question the band's full notability. SwisterTwister talk 23:21, 29 November 2015 (UTC)

:Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. Musa Talk  23:32, 29 November 2015 (UTC)

:Note: This debate has been included in the list of Finland-related deletion discussions. Musa Talk  23:32, 29 November 2015 (UTC)

• Keep Atleast when considering Finnish-language sources too there are some articles about the band in music magazines [http://www.inferno.fi/arviot/ikuinen-lupaus-arviossa-uusi-mors-principium-est/], [http://kaaoszine.fi/mors-principium-est-dawn-5th-era/] and the album articles have more reviews in English in the articles here. The music label is established in heavy metal. I'm not a fan on super strict interpretation on notability guideline, pragmatically looking at it this band has been interesting enough to have been made Wikipedia articles in 18 languages. --Pudeo' 04:58, 3 December 2015 (UTC)

• Delete - I see nothing to indicate passing WP:NBAND. This leaves significant coverage in independent reliable sources (under WP:GNG). The sources are:

::*a [http://web.archive.org/web/20061215083425/http://www.morsprincipiumest.com/main_index.htm dead link to an archived copy] of the band's history from their own website in 2006 (?)

::*[http://www.metalstorm.net/events/news_comments.php?news_id=3839 metalstorm.net] that says it got its limited info from the band's website and blabbermouth (which seems to be a WP:SPS)

::*a dead link to [http://www.listenable.net/v2/release_detail.php?id=82 the band's label] (the label's current version doesn't seem to have anything to say about the band[https://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Alistenable.net+Mors+Principium+Est&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8])

::*a [http://www.blabbermouth.net/news/mors-principium-est-seeking-new-guitarists/ 2011 article from the aforementioned blabbermouth] saying the band is looking for a new guitarist (they don't mention it, but I'm sure having a garage they could practice in would be a clincher)

::In my opinion, that's very weak sourcing. I did some searching and really didn't come up with much else: youtube, Facebook and such and an assortment of metal blogs and forums. - SummerPhD^v2.0 16:23, 14 December 2015 (UTC)

• Keep: The article could use more development, but it should be retained. Garagepunk66 (talk) 01:09, 23 December 2015 (UTC)

::Comment - Do you have a policy/guideline-based reason you feel it should be kept? - SummerPhD^v2.0 01:26, 23 December 2015 (UTC)

:::It has an established label in the genre and the albums have reviews in music magazines (check the album articles and two links I posted earlier). But it's true hardly any death metal bands have several mentions in mainstream newspapers, so if you're for this kind of psychotic deletionism, please go ahead and nominate most of these for deletion: List of melodic death metal bands. I think a couple of album reviews in RS are enough.--Pudeo' 18:13, 23 December 2015 (UTC)

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