Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Moustafa Mourad

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Fails WP:NACADEMIC and WP:ANYBIO. None of his memberships are to "highly selective and prestigious" associations. (He is a fellowship director in the American Academy of Facial Plastic and Reconstructive Surgery, but this is not covered in NACADEMIC#3, and the selectivity of this position is unclear.) h-index is 16 on Google Scholar. The only coverage in independent sources is him being quoted or interviewed. Created by a blocked COI editor. Helpful Raccoon (talk) 18:46, 26 April 2025 (UTC)

• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: People, Medicine, and New York. Helpful Raccoon (talk) 18:46, 26 April 2025 (UTC)

:This article should be kept. Many issues have been brought up. The first is with regards to the credibility of the AAFPRS. The American Academy of Facial Plastic and Reconstructive Surgery is noted to be the world's largest specialty association for facial plastic and reconstructive surgeons and represents more than 2,500 board-certified surgeons who specialize in surgery of the face, head, and neck.{{cite web |title=About AAFPRS |url=https://www.aafprs.org/About/About.aspx |website=aafprs.org |access-date=April 28, 2025}} Its credibility is certainly noteworthy as it is recognized by the American Medical Association (AMA) as the national specialty society for facial plastic and reconstructive surgery.{{cite web |title=American Board of Facial Plastic and Reconstructive Surgery |url=https://www.abfprs.org/about-abfprs/affiliations/ |website=abfprs.org |access-date=April 28, 2025}} It is also a founding member of the American Board of Facial Plastic and Reconstructive Surgery. In addition, although not an ACGME fellowship, the AAFPRS sponsors accredited post-graduate fellowship programs in facial plastic and reconstructive surgery, which are listed in the San Francisco Match (SF Match) program for sub-specialty training.{{cite web |title=Facial Plastic Surgery Fellowships |url=https://www.sfmatch.org/fellowship/facial-plastic-surgery/about-the-match |website=sfmatch.org |access-date=April 28, 2025}}

:Directing an AAFPRS fellowship program should be considered a significant and noteworthy academic and professional achievement. Fellowship directors oversee one-year surgical training programs that provide advanced education in aesthetic and reconstructive procedures of the face, head, and neck. Fellowship directors are typically board-certified otolaryngologists or plastic surgeons who have extensive surgical experience, hold academic appointments at medical institutions, and contribute to clinical research and education. {{cite web |title=Facial Plastic Surgery Fellowship Programs |url=https://www.aafprs.org/Physician/Fellowship_Program/Physician/Fellowships/Fellowship_Program.aspx |website=aafprs.org |access-date=April 28, 2025}}

:Many fellowship directors publish extensively in peer-reviewed medical journals, hold leadership roles in national medical societies, and are invited speakers at international scientific meetings, reflecting their contributions to the advancement of facial plastic and reconstructive surgery.{{cite journal |last=Patel |first=Zara |title=Global Perspectives on Facial Plastic Surgery Education |journal=Facial Plastic Surgery & Aesthetic Medicine |volume=23 |issue=1 |year=2021 |pages=5–8 |doi=10.1089/fpsam.2021.0050}} This individual in question's academic achievement are aligned with that of leaders in the field meeting their rigorous expectations and should meet the standards required for posting on Wikipedia.

:A search of Wikipedia will reveal individuals like Monica Tadros, whose noteworthy achievements include an award from the AAFPRS. It should be noted that if an award from the society has been viewed as notable and noteworthy, then it would appear that being a Fellowship Director certainly would justify a noteworthy achievement.

:Disqualifying this article will likely require a revision of multiple individual and society articles. It appears that the there was a COI however that account has been banned which is an appropriate response but does not discredit this article on the basis of its own merit.

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:Under WP:GNG a subject is considered notable if they have received significant coverage in reliable, independent secondary sources. The individual seems to have been independently profiled in medical news outlets and featured in publications beyond simple interviews. It seems that he has been interviewed by New York City news outlets, and featured on podcasts which are considered primary source material.

:WP:NACADEMIC has strict thresholds, an h-index of 16 in a specialized surgical field is significant when compared within the context of facial plastic and reconstructive surgery, and otolaryngology, which is a narrower subspecialty. This individual has authored numerous peer-reviewed publications and book chapters, and serves as a fellowship director at a nationally recognized training program. Leadership within the American Academy of Facial Plastic and Reconstructive Surgery (AAFPRS) reflects a selective professional achievement. Dr. Mourad has organized national training programs and contributed to academic curriculum development, which reflects broader professional recognition. Please see Babak Azizzadeh and Andrew A. Jacono, as similar individuals with comparable credentials and leadership within the same organization. Objectively speaking, this individual appears to be notable with similar individuals having similar profiles.

:With regards to COI, while the initial article creation may have involved a COI, this alone is not a reason for deletion according to Wikipedia policy. I believe Content should be judged based on the strength of independent sources and compliance with notability guidelines. 2603:7000:24F0:88E0:D46E:92BD:14F9:D76E

(talk) 22:10, 26 April 2025 (UTC)

:This article should be kept. The article meets Wikipedia's General Notability Guideline and satisfies the standards of WP:Notability (people). There is significant coverage in multiple independent and reliable sources, beyond trivial mentions. Dr. Mourad has been covered in independent reporting by the New York Daily News, which discussed his clinical leadership roles during major public health events.{{Cite web |last=Parnell |first=Wes |date=2020-11-29 |title='What am I going to do at home?': After losing a leg in Queens shooting, amputee talks about road to recovery |url=https://www.nydailynews.com/2020/11/29/what-am-i-going-to-do-at-home-after-losing-a-leg-in-queens-shooting-amputee-talks-about-road-to-recovery/}}{{Cite web |last=Parnell |first=Wesley |date=2020-11-22 |title='Just chaos': NYC paramedics, doctors, hospital staff overwhelmed by surge of shooting victims in 2020 |url=https://www.nydailynews.com/2020/11/22/just-chaos-nyc-paramedics-doctors-hospital-staff-overwhelmed-by-surge-of-shooting-victims-in-2020/}} He is also referenced in official State of New York Public Health documents confirming his appointment as Division Chief in surgery.{{Cite journal |title=Agenda |url=https://www.health.ny.gov/facilities/public_health_and_health_planning_council/meetings/2024-11-14/docs/full_agenda.pdf}} In addition, he was recognized by the MediSys Health Network for contributions to hospital administration and patient care.{{Cite web |last=Network |first=Medisys Health |date=2023-06-16 |title=Congratulations to the MediSys Health Network's CARE Award Recipients |url=https://medisyshealth.org/newsletter/congratulations-to-the-medisys-health-networks-care-award-recipients-7/}}

:Furthermore, Dr. Mourad is listed publicly as a Fellowship Director with the American Academy of Facial Plastic and Reconstructive Surgery (AAFPRS), a leadership role in a national medical education organization.{{Cite web |title=Fellowship Programs |url=https://www.aafprs.org/Professionals/Development/Fellowship_Programs/Program_Directors/ERF/Program_Directors.aspx}}{{Cite web |title=Dr. Moustafa Mourad on the BackTable ENT Podcast |url=https://www.backtable.com/shows/ent/contributors/dr-moustafa-mourad}} There's no direct source about how competitive the Fellowship Director role is, but it's verifiable. The AAFPRS, while not an academic body like ACGME programs, appears to be nationally recognized for training facial plastic surgeons. Upon further research, it appears within the field of otolaryngology, most subspecialty fellowships — like otology, rhinology, pediatrics, and head and neck surgery — are not accredited by ACGME either. They're run by their specialty societies, just like the AAFPRS runs facial plastics training. Being a Fellowship Director is still a meaningful leadership and mentorship position in that system. Wikipedia has precedent in recognizing these individuals. This also speaks to the comment with regards to an h score of 16. In specialized clinical fields such as otolaryngology, dermatology, and surgical subspecialties, an h-index of 16 is considered very strong. Unlike fields with massive research ecosystems (such as theoretical physics or oncology), clinical academic output typically results in lower citation counts. In this context, an h-index of 16 reflects a sustained, significant scholarly contribution over time and would be regarded as notable within the specialty.

:In terms of professional achievements, Dr. Mourad holds double board certification, is a Fellow of both the American College of Surgeons (FACS) and the American Head and Neck Society (AHNS), and has authored over 40 peer-reviewed publications. These satisfy WP:CREATIVE and WP:PROF criteria as well.

:Given the strong coverage in independent sources, his recognized leadership roles, and his academic work, the article clearly meets Wikipedia's notability standards and should be kept. 2603:7000:24F0:88E0:D46E:92BD:14F9:D76E (talk) 14:00, 27 April 2025 (UTC) — 2603:7000:24F0:88E0:D46E:92BD:14F9:D76E (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. {{#if:|A sockpuppet investigation is open at Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/{{{spi}}}.{{sp}}|}}

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• Delete: The nomination statement is highly compelling, and the multiple IP !votes are not, given their frequent invocation of WP:WHATABOUTX and misunderstanding of WP:NACADEMIC. An h-index of 16 in medicine for a senior faculty member is extremely low and not a sign of professional indluence. Division chief is not a top academic appointment per NACADEMIC 5/6 and "fellowship director" is not the equivalent of a fellowship that warrants an NACADEMIC 3 pass. The sources raised here do not show a WP:GNG pass as they are all WP:TRIVIALMENTIONS, WP:PRIMARYSOURCES, the subject's own writings, and/or non-independent sources. Plus the page creator was blocked for denying a clear conflict of interest. Dclemens1971 (talk) 23:26, 3 May 2025 (UTC)

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