Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mr. Schneider Goes to Washington

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Non-notable documentary film. Has not been the subject of third-party RS.PaintedCarpet (talk) 01:24, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

Changing my vote as nom to Keep based on new sources that confirm notability. PaintedCarpet (talk) 15:12, 6 June 2014 (UTC)

:Note: This debate has been included in the list of United States of America-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 02:13, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

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• Ddelete While verifiable, it seems this film has not received the requisite coverage for inclusion. If we do get a article on Jonathan Neil Schneider, it certainly can be mentioned there. Schmidt, ^{Michael Q.} 06:22, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

:*Weak keep. I struck my delete as I found an excellent article about this documentary in [http://variety.com/2008/biz/opinion/money-politics-44008/ Variety] and am now convinced that WP:NF is met... even if only just. Schmidt, ^{Michael Q.} 23:49, 5 June 2014 (UTC)

:::Great find, User:MichaelQSchmidt. I'm willing to change my vote as nom to keep; article is sourced just enough to satisfy notability. PaintedCarpet (talk) 00:32, 6 June 2014 (UTC)

• Delete> - Does not meet the criteria for notability in films. Nickmalik (talk) 07:13, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

::Weak Keep - willing to change my vote based on coverage and novelty of the film. It still does not meet most of the requisite criteria of notability in films, but it appears to have had some reasonable coverage on the BLOG sites of Variety and the Wall Street Journal (note that neither of these articles appeared in the print editions of these publications, and may not have been editorially reviewed.) Assuming, of course, that these references get included in the article itself. Nickmalik (talk) 16:41, 9 June 2014 (UTC)

• Keep Votes for deletion based on mere assertions with no evidence. It was so tempting to just do likewise, and merely contradict. However, it does not take much searching to find evidence to the contrary. Just look at the links. Huffington Post, New Orleans Film Society Wall Street Journal [http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2007/07/26/lights-camera-lobbying/], and a host of film sites. Anarchangel (talk) 20:12, 4 June 2014 (UTC)

::Comment The Huffington Post [http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jonathan-neil-schneider/whats-special-about-wall_b_133888.html article] I found was written by Jonathan Schneider and thus not a reliable source. Neither [http://www.rottentomatoes.com/search/?search=Mr.+Schneider+Goes+to+Washington&sitesearch=rt Rotten Tomatoes] nor [http://www.metacritic.com/search/all/Mr.+Schneider+Goes+to+Washington/results Metacric] show any reviews for this movie. One of the requirements of WP:NF is "The film was given a commercial re-release, or screened in a festival, at least five years after initial release," and on that basis, then the film might be a weak keep. But I cannot find any reliable sources that verify the movie's inclusion at the New Orleans Film Festival; the lsting at the [http://neworleansfilmsociety.org/films/detail/431/Mr.-Schneider-Goes-to-Washington festival's website] is a simple synopsis. PaintedCarpet (talk) 22:29, 4 June 2014 (UTC)

::Comment: To User:Anarchangel, the film's existence is not in question. And while inclusion on either Rotten Tomatoes or Metacritic are not Wikipedia inclusion requisites for films, the criteria do call for sources to be independent, reliable, and that they offer more than listings in film databases. The [http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2007/07/26/lights-camera-lobbying/ Wal Street Journal] is excellent. Schneider's [http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jonathan-neil-schneider/whats-special-about-wall_b_133888.html Huffington Post] article can certainly confirm facts within the film article under WP:SELFPUB, but does not contribute toward notability. And unlike User:PaintedCarpet I find the New Orleans Film Society listing the documentary as having screened suitable enough as it is supported by [http://blog.nola.com/mikescott/2007/10/best_bets_from_the_no_film_fes.html The Times-Picayune ], but simply screening someplace does not constitute notability if lacking significant coverage. The [http://www.mrqe.com/movie_reviews/mr-schneider-goes-to-washington-m100075886 Movie Review Query Engine] lists one review from a site calling itself the [http://www.geocities.com/~polfilms/mrschneider.html Political Film Society], but I cannot determine [http://www.geocities.com/~polfilms/faqs.html that site's] reliability. I would like to support the film's inclusion, but please read WP:NF and WP:GNG and WP:RS. There simply is not enough actual coverage. I just found [http://variety.com/2008/biz/opinion/money-politics-44008/ THIS] as a superb article speaking about the film. Schmidt, ^{Michael Q.} 23:28, 5 June 2014 (UTC)

:Great find, MQS. Bless you. Lee Iacocca also wonders '"Where is our democracy heading?" "Aren't there any rules anymore?"', and says '"to all my friends in the media, if you want to know what Lee Iacocca thinks is wrong with politics, watch "Mr. Schneider Goes to Washington."', [http://www.leeiacocca.blogspot.com/2008/03/mr-schneider-goes-to-washington.html at his Blog] But he would only count as an expert on Unsafe At Any Speed, I guess. Anarchangel (talk) 01:09, 6 June 2014 (UTC)

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