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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Muhammad Raza Aizad

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Fails WP:NBIO. All sources I found had no significant coverage. mwwv converse∫edits 23:36, 8 May 2025 (UTC)

:Keep - Passes WP:SOLDIER. He's a two star general. 𝗭𝗲𝗽𝗵𝘆𝗿 (ᴛᴀʟᴋ) 03:43, 9 May 2025 (UTC)

::He has the 2nd highest award of pakistan Hilal-i-Imtiaz. Recipient of Sword of Honour (Pakistan). 𝗭𝗲𝗽𝗵𝘆𝗿 (ᴛᴀʟᴋ) 03:44, 9 May 2025 (UTC)

::Unless I'm missing something, WP:SOLDIER has been deprecated. mwwv converse∫edits 19:07, 9 May 2025 (UTC)

:::Maximum of the previous military biography articles which were deleted, it was done based on WP:SOLDIER regardless it has been deprecated, such as Vijayant Thapar (officer). 𝗭𝗲𝗽𝗵𝘆𝗿 (ᴛᴀʟᴋ) 19:46, 9 May 2025 (UTC)

:::Also check WP:ANYBIO. He fulfills the condition, as he has the 2nd highest award. 𝗭𝗲𝗽𝗵𝘆𝗿 (ᴛᴀʟᴋ) 19:50, 9 May 2025 (UTC)

::::ANYBIO footnote 8 says {{tq|a person who is "part of the enduring historical record" will have been written about, in depth, independently in multiple history books in that field, by historians}}, and I couldn't find any evidence of this in Aizad. mwwv converse∫edits 21:47, 9 May 2025 (UTC)

:::::ANYBIO footnote 8 is not applicable for a serving military general.

:::::ANYBIO's first point says The person has received a well-known and significant award or honor, or has been nominated for such an award several times — which is applicable for him as he has Hilal-e-Imtiaz awarded by the President. 𝗭𝗲𝗽𝗵𝘆𝗿 (ᴛᴀʟᴋ) 04:04, 10 May 2025 (UTC)

:Keep – Meets WP:SOLDIER: two-star general, recipient of the Hilal-i-Imtiaz (Military) and Sword of Honour. These are clear indicators of notability per military-specific guidelines. Lack of media coverage doesn’t override presumed notability under WP:SOLDIER. Taeyab (talk) 10:53, 9 May 2025 (UTC)

::{{tq|Lack of media coverage doesn’t override presumed notability under WP:SOLDIER}} That is just straight up not true. NSOLDIER is a part of WP:MILNG, which is an essay. Essays never override notability guidelines; they are simply pieces of {{tq|advice or opinions of one or more editors}} (from WP:ESSAY), and as such have little-to-no community oversight. AFAIK, MILNG was never marked as a notability guideline; it has always been an essay. Also, usually, the wording I've seen in notability essays has been that subjects are "almost certainly", "likely to be", "safe to say that they are", etc. presumed notable. It's very possible that this is one of the exceptions. mwwv converse∫edits 19:35, 9 May 2025 (UTC)

:::It is true that WP:MILNG is an essay and not policy, its guidance is rooted in longstanding community consensus on how WP:GNG applies to military figures. The rank of major general, combined with being a Hilal-i-Imtiaz (Military) and Sword of Honour recipient, reflects a career of national-level distinction. These are not routine achievements.

:::Per WP:NOTE: "The barometer of notability is whether reliable sources cover the subject in significant detail." In military contexts, however, high-ranking officers are often not profiled in depth unless involved in controversy. This doesn’t negate their encyclopedic significance, especially when holding top national honors. Many existing general-officer articles lack deep media coverage but are retained based on clear, verifiable achievement and rank.

:::This article warrants minor improvement, not deletion. Taeyab (talk) 18:59, 10 May 2025 (UTC)

:Keep – as per Taeyab and Zephyr. He's definitely notable as a Pakistan Army Major General, although the article can be improved, especially with Urdu-language sources. Al-Waqīmī (talk) 12:09, 9 May 2025 (UTC)

  • Keep This article is much improved now. Has 3 reliable newspaper references. He was awarded the 2nd highest award of Pakistan for his services by the President of Pakistan in 2024...Ngrewal1 (talk) 22:37, 9 May 2025 (UTC)
  • Keep — (weak) — It needs polishing, language-wise (something which I will probably do as soon as I'm done typing this) but they seem relatively notable. My favorite essay to reference in situations like this is WP:NOTLEVEL. It's probably a bit of a stretch to imagine that they perfectly meet WP:BIO, but I tend to err on the side of caution when a subject may not have extensive English-language references but seem to have not-insignificant references locally. Just my two cents. MWFwiki (talk) 20:55, 11 May 2025 (UTC)
  • :Completed some basic polishing. MWFwiki (talk) 21:43, 11 May 2025 (UTC)
  • Keep This page is a lot better than before. I would love to see some more sources added to make my keep vote stronger. Gjb0zWxOb (talk) 13:16, 12 May 2025 (UTC)
  • Keep Notable enough for having own article. I find the nomination inaccurate. Zakaria ښه راغلاست (talk) 00:15, 13 May 2025 (UTC)
  • Weak Keep per Taeyab's reasoning. Agnieszka653 (talk) 16:04, 13 May 2025 (UTC)