Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Murder of Lisa Solomon

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Delete: as non-notable murder. Not all murders are meet WP:NOTABILITY. This domestic incident has no wider social ramifications -- nothing to do with law enforcement, racism, sexism, nationalism, nationality, etc. See WP:MURDER. Nirva20 (talk) 01:15, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

:Keep. The article doesn't really show this, but this does seem to meet WP:NEVENT. It has had more or less 30+ years of sustained coverage, and if you look it up has multiple articles describing it as "one of long island's most famous murders". Also just because a murder doesn't tie into broader social issues, that doesn't mean it isn't notable??? It's about the depth and length of coverage. PARAKANYAA (talk) 01:17, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

:: I live in NYC and only found about it today while watching a crime show network. I seriously doubt it qualifies as one of Long Island's most famous murders, at least anymore. That would probably be Ted Ammon, btw. Nirva20 (talk) 01:25, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

:::If something is being mentioned thirty years after it happened on television and has numerous articles discussing it in detail to this day, it is probably a notable event.

:::Do you have a deletion rationale other than you didn't know that it happened, therefore it is unnotable? PARAKANYAA (talk) 01:27, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

• Delete. No lasting consequences. "Sustained coverage" is not demonstrated, just occasional popping up. - Altenmann >talk 01:27, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
• Delete Other than the person getting out of jail in 2019, there was hardly any coverage in between the murder and his release. Burst of initial coverage, then featured on tv shows that go over hundreds of cases each... I don't see lasting effects, no changes in laws, no critical discussion of the police etc. Oaktree b (talk) 01:38, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Women, Crime, Events, and New York. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 02:44, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
• Delete. Fails WP:NEVENT criteria due to lack of WP:SUSTAINED and WP:DIVERSE coverage. This is a classic case of WP:NOTNEWS and WP:ROUTINE where we have bursts of news coverage at the time of the murder, and upon the release of the murderer, but no coverage outside of a routine news context. We would need to see other types of coverage such as journal articles, books, writing outside of the routine news cycle, etc. to show it passes NEVENT. That currently hasn't been demonstrated in the article.4meter4 (talk) 17:46, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
• Comment to those stating that WP:SUSTAINED is not shown: The article states that the entire trial was broadcast live on the News 12 Cable News channel. That looks like an unreferenced source, but I checked the NYT citation that follows a couple sentences later and it is stated there. That NYT article has a whole section dedicated to the media frenzy over pre-trial publicity, how the cable news channel had two live anchors providing commentary during breaks in the trial, the defense had made a motion to move the trial out of Suffolk County due to the publicity, and a motion for mistrial due to statements that the prosecutor(? I didn't look close enough who "Mr. Mazzei" was) had made to the press during the trial. One of the witnesses in the trial was a "L.I. News Tonight" reporter about some of the coverage his organization had shown on television. I'm still on the fence about the article, but the statements that "Other than the person getting out of jail in 2019, there was hardly any coverage in between the murder and his release" and similar statements are provably wrong. RecycledPixels (talk) 23:16, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

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