Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Muslim (singer)

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Creator contested PROD. Previously created at Muslim (rapper), moved to draft and also contested. Subject doesn't pass WP:MUSICBIO, at least, not yet. No reliable source that gives WP:SIGCOV. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 18:13, 25 October 2023 (UTC)

• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: People, Bands and musicians, and Morocco. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 18:13, 25 October 2023 (UTC)
• Delete fails WP:NSINGER WP:MUSICBIO and WP:GNG. Theroadislong (talk) 18:24, 25 October 2023 (UTC)

• Delete per nom and above. estar8806 (talk) ★ 19:54, 25 October 2023 (UTC)
• Delete: Name is too common to find anything useful; Sinead O'Connor was Muslim apparently, which I did not know. Most hits are on Muslim singers, nothing for this fellow Oaktree b (talk) 20:04, 25 October 2023 (UTC)
• Delete as per above. Page does not meet notability guidelines for musicians. HarukaAmaranth ^春_香 20:20, 25 October 2023 (UTC)
• Delete This page does not seem important enough to warrant its own page and it does not meet musician notability guidelines. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.117.162.190 (talk • contribs) 01:19, 27 October 2023 (UTC)

:Delete: it lacks of content and information. Also, not notable. There is almost no any inline references, 4 are given where 3 are not existing website. Serdaray85 (talk) 09:26, 29 October 2023 (UTC)

• Keep andMove to Muslim (rapper) Incredibly disappointing AfD. Has anyone actually bothered with a simple Google search? Muslim is the equivalent of Morocco's Jay Z or 50 Cent. He is one of the most prominent and influential representatives of rap in Morocco, Africa, and the Arab world. While I get that it's challenging when most sources are in foreign languages, there's plenty of substantial, independent coverage in reliable sources across multiple languages that took me less than a minute to find. Passes #1, #7, #8, and #11 in my opinion.

:* [https://www.forbes.com/sites/alisonlake/2018/06/10/heres-a-rapper-you-can-listen-to-with-your-mom/?sh=1c4822623d2d Here's A Rapper You Can Listen To With Your Mom] (Forbes). I'm aware that this is a Forbes Contributor piece so it doesn't contribute towards notability. But wouldn't this be one of the first things to pop up while conducting WP:BEFORE, and wouldn't it warrant a "Hmmm. If Forbes is dedicating an article to this random Moroccan rapper, maybe he is notable and I should do more digging?"

:* [https://www.moroccoworldnews.com/2014/06/131911/moroccan-king-of-rap-performs-in-front-of-an-enthusiastic-mawazine-audience ‘Moroccan King of Rap” Performs in front of an Enthusiastic Mawazine Audience] in Morocco World News. Mawazine Festival has been described as the [https://www.billboard.com/music/latin/maluma-morocco-mawazine-festival-performance-8518181/ largest and most important music festival in Africa] by Billboard.

:* [https://www.newarab.com/news/influential-moroccan-rapper-tackles-domestic-violence-new-song Influential Moroccan rapper tackles domestic violence with new song on International Women's Day] (The New Arab)

:* [https://www.elmundo.es/cultura/2015/05/28/55670770e2704e275b8b4588.html Ese pedazo de Muslim] in Spain's second largest newspaper, El Mundo.

:* [https://www.lavanguardia.com/cultura/20141106/54419002958/el-rapero-marroqui-muslim-actuara-en-razzmatazz-en-beneficio-a-ibn-battuta.html El rapero marroquí Muslim actuará en Razzmatazz en beneficio a Ibn Battuta] in La Vanguardia about a performance in Barcelona.

:* [https://www.diariosur.es/malagatrend/musica/201604/03/muslim-arabe-para-cambio-20160402225440.html Muslim, rap árabe para el cambio] (Diario Sur)

:* [https://www.libe.ma/Festival-des-Plages-Muslim-ouvre-le-bal-sur-la-scene-de-la-plage-de-Tanger_a139869.html Festival des Plages. Muslim ouvre le bal sur la scène de la plage de Tanger] (Libération)

:* [https://allafrica.com/stories/201407151084.html Morocco: Rapper Muslim Delivers 'Message' to Youth] (All Africa)

:* [https://www.jstor.org/stable/42005331 Unravelling distinct voices in Moroccan rap: evading control, weaving solidarities, and building new spaces for self-expression]

:* [https://csalateral.org/issue/12-1/hearing-the-houma-sound-vision-urban-space-moroccan-hip-hop-video-vandermeulen/ Hearing the Houma: Sound, Vision, and Urban Space in Moroccan Hip-Hop Videos]

:* [https://www.libe.ma/Le-rap-en-fete-a-Mawazine_a99201.html Le rap en fête à Mawazine] (Libération)

:* [https://lematin.ma/journal/2012/Portrait-de-Muslim-rappeur-marocain_Muslim-le-rap-dans-le-sang/166035.html Muslim, le rap dans le sang] (Le Matin)

:* [https://albayane.press.ma/mawazine-2016-le-rap-a-lhonneur.html Mawazine 2016 : Le Rap à l’honneur] (Al Bayane)

:* Nominated as Best Male Artist in North Africa out of 5 other Moroccan singers, including Hamza El Fadly, L7OR, Muslim, and Zouhair Bahaoui at the 2021 All Africa Music Awards. ([https://en.hespress.com/30660-el-grande-toto-manal-and-dizzy-dros-win-in-the-2021-afrima-awards.html Article] in Hespress English)

:* "Le rap marocain doit son essor d’aujourd’hui, sinon sa genèse, à l’ancienne génération. Les Marocains, jeunes et moins jeunes, se souviennent toujours des titres underground de Don Bigg, Muslim, ou encore des groupes comme H-Kayne et Casa-Crew." (Maroc Hebdo)

:* [https://www.yabiladi.com/articles/details/21213/maroc-clip-rappeur-muslim-l-marhoum.html Maroc : Le clip du rappeur Muslim « L'Marhoum » cartonne sur Youtube] (Yabiladi)

:* [https://aujourdhui.ma/culture/al-rissala-muslim-se-veut-le-messager-des-pauvres-107710 Al Rissala : Muslim se veut le messager des pauvres] (Aujourd'hui)

:* [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rXkvViAiPUw Méditel Morocco Music Awards 2014 - #03 - MUSLIM Win The Best Rapper]. Youtube video, in Moroccan Arabic, skip to 3:10. Better source needed but this is a start. Per {{Proquest|1961800094}} (Al Bayane), sales and downloads figures do not exist for Morocco and articles nominated for the Morocco Music Awards come from the top broadcasts of Moroccan music on the three associated radios (Chada FM, Hit Radio and Radio 2M).

:* and much more available online, although mostly in French and Arabic...

:: Pinging {{ping|Vanderwaalforces}}, {{ping|Theroadislong}}, {{ping|Oaktree b}}, {{ping|estar8806}}, {{ping|HarukaAmaranth}}, {{ping|Serdaray85}}. Mooonswimmer 18:25, 30 October 2023 (UTC)

• Comment I did look in Fr and EN Google. The Forbes contributor piece is out, the youtube stuff is out. I'll have to review the rest later. You might be on to something. Oaktree b (talk) 18:50, 30 October 2023 (UTC)

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Relisting comment: While the sheer !votes here may point to a consensus to delete, Moonswimmer's contribution on 30 October deserves the opportunity to be further reviewed.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Daniel (talk) 19:08, 1 November 2023 (UTC)

• Keep as the multiple reliable sources identified in this discussion such as Spanish national newspaper articles about him, an academic journal, and others show when combined a pass of WP:GNG so that deletion is unnecessary in my view, Atlantic306 (talk) 01:22, 4 November 2023 (UTC)

• Changing my !vote to Keep. Sources provided by Moonswimmer and those reference by Atlantic306 would pass GNG and SIGCOV. estar8806 (talk) ★ 02:07, 4 November 2023 (UTC)
• @Mooonswimmer Great job, can you now update the article based on this. As I am inclined to !vote Keep. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 02:44, 4 November 2023 (UTC)
• :I tried my best to expand the article and include more sources. Mooonswimmer 20:09, 4 November 2023 (UTC)
• Keep fairly substantial amount of news coverage demonstrated above. AryKun (talk) 13:02, 4 November 2023 (UTC)

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