Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Nadirs

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Non notable book by Herta Müller. Article has no sources. Toshio Yamaguchi (talk) 08:25, 25 April 2011 (UTC)

• Keep on the same Nobel notability grounds as :Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Este sau nu este Ion. In addition for this one, I've added a reference to the article, drawn from a review of the English language edition of this book. AllyD (talk) 09:11, 25 April 2011 (UTC)
• Strong and speedy keep. It's a very safe bet that literary works by Nobel laureates in literature will have received the coverage required to establish notability. The fact that an editor has established a comprehensive set of stub articles for the author's books, which other editors may expand at their convenience, is not at all a bad thing. The nominator makes no case whatever for deletion, and this long string of cookie-cutter nominations over a brief period of time, quite frankly, will lead most editors to the conclusion that the nominator has made no effort, whether per WP:BEFORE or otherwise, to assess whether the subjects are in fact notable. Hullaballoo Wolfowitz (talk) 15:08, 25 April 2011 (UTC)
• Keep. Passes criterion #5 of WP:NBOOK as the author has won a Nobel in literature. Roscelese (talk ⋅ contribs) 15:18, 25 April 2011 (UTC)
• Comment WP:NOTINHERITED. Prove the book is notable, just because a Nobel laureate wrote it does not mean that it contributed to the Nobel Prize. 65.94.45.160 (talk) 06:15, 26 April 2011 (UTC)

:* Two responses, the 1st general, the 2nd specific: (1) the Nobel citation appears to refer to her body of work rather than specifics, so it is not a case of Inherited Notability - it is the body of work that is notable; unless we have a reliable alternative criterion for NPOV/V, how can we second-guess what elements of that work was regarded as notable/non-notable? (2) as noted above and referenced in this particular article, this book has been published in translation and reviewed by a noted novelist. AllyD (talk) 07:12, 26 April 2011 (UTC)

:*Response- WP:NOTINHERITED specifically links to the exceptions of WP:NBOOK, #5 of which is the most germane. The Literature Nobel is given for an author's body of work to date, any item of which should be presumed to have been considered in the decision; subsequent works obviously were not, but are likely to receive attention sooner because of the author's recognition. This mass deletion listing seems only to have avoided (with the exception of this AfD), only those which won individual awards, were previously translated into English, or had been previously reviewed in the New York Times, Wikipedia:Systemic bias of foreign-language materials in WP:RS, at least those available online, which made possible development of specific articles about her work. The author was the subject of biographies, in 1992, 1993, 2002, and 2003, not because she was Romanian, wrote in German, or left Romania, but because of the quality and breadth of her writing as a dissident; while she was awarded the Nobel in 2009, she had been discussed as a possible candidate prior to 2009's The Land of Green Plums.

• :Response. It would help to actually review WP:NOTINHERITED rather than mechanically invoking it. It's part of an essay, and can't be used to counter an SNG, like NBOOK #5, or the GNG. More important, it recognizes quite clearly that notability is generally shared between creators and their creative works, making express and unmistakeable exceptions for books, films, and music. And "prove it's notable" is not a valid argument in an AFD discussion claiming lack of notability, where the burden of proof is on the advocates of deletion. Hullaballoo Wolfowitz (talk) 12:26, 26 April 2011 (UTC)
• If kept, rename, since "nadirs" is the plural of nadir and should redirect there. 65.94.45.160 (talk) 06:15, 26 April 2011 (UTC)

::This is undoubtably the primary use of the plural of an uncommon word that is unlikely to be pluralized except as a dicdef and the name of an as yet obscure band. If not kept, Redirect to 'Herta Müller' as valid search term. Dru of Id

• Keep- Per rationales of each previous keep vote above; additionally, this is the uncensored version of the author's first work, which has additional history of being smuggled out to the free world. Dru of Id (talk) 12:20, 26 April 2011 (UTC)

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