Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Nessie (film)

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Does not meet WP:GNG, coverage is limited to brief interviews with the production team in local publications. My WP:BEFORE attempt only turned up sources about other Loch Ness-related media released in 2023. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 15:35, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Film and Scotland. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 15:35, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
• If present coverage (and other articles existing online) is deemed insufficient, given the Marbella nominations and Monaco award received, a redirect to Loch Ness Monster in popular culture#Literature and film (an article that could benefit from additional material and sources) -with transfer of a few sources and notes- could, imv, be considered.-My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 09:34, 14 February 2024 (UTC)
• Redirecting it without a mention at the target is not appropriate, and adding a mention at the target without proper sourcing on the overarching topic (Loch Ness Monster in popular culture) that mentions the film is fundamentally a non-starter. TompaDompa (talk) 20:10, 15 February 2024 (UTC)

:{{Outdent}}In other words: I had added the mention of the film to the target page, and with a source, but you removed it because you didn't want it mentioned there. So that the film is now indeed not mentioned at the target but it would be if you hadn't reverted my addition twice. Am I allowed to sigh? I have no further comments, I'm afraid. Other users will decide what they think is best.-My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 21:03, 15 February 2024 (UTC)

::I am confident you understand that [https://www.fifetoday.co.uk/arts-and-culture/film-and-tv/fife-link-revealed-as-new-nessie-movie-comes-to-the-region-4347918 this] is not a source on the overarching topic of Loch Ness Monster in popular culture. You had indeed added "a source", but not an adequate one for the purpose. TompaDompa (talk) 21:12, 15 February 2024 (UTC)

• Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources.

  1. {{cite news |last=Merritt |first=Mike |date=2023-07-16 |title=Loch Miss Monster - Inverness Cinema Won't Screen New Film Director Baffled as the Home of Nessie Refuses to Show Movie |url=https://infoweb.newsbank.com/apps/news/document-view?p=WORLDNEWS&docref=news/192CE30C22EDC9A8&f=basic |newspaper=Daily Record |ref={{harvid|Merritt|2023a}} |accessdate=2024-02-16 |archiveurl=https://archive.today/2024.02.16-115237/https://infoweb.newsbank.com/apps/news/document-view?p=WORLDNEWS&docref=news/192CE30C22EDC9A8&f=basic |archivedate=2024-02-16 }}

     The article notes: "A new film about the Loch Ness Monster has been snapped up by every cinema it has been offered to - except in Inverness, the home city of Nessie. Movie bosses say they are "baffled" over why Eden Court Theatre turned down the film - while the other eight cinemas in the first tranche have taken it. Paul MacDonald-Taylor, head of film and visual arts for Eden Court, said ... "My issue with Nessie is it seems to be made for a foreign market who look at Scotland in a very particular and more touristy way and this kind of film wouldn't work as well with our audience. Especially with the postsummer holiday release that they are planning when there would be fewer tourists in the area. If it was a film similar to their previous release that had Scotland as the backdrop for an interesting story and not as the product, then we would have looked at showing it." ... It seems to be made for a foreign market who look at Scotland in a very particular and more touristy way."

  2. {{cite news |last=Neil |first=Sandy |date=2022-07-08 |title=Nessie comes to Loch Awe |url=https://www.argyllshireadvertiser.co.uk/2022/07/08/nessie-comes-to-loch-awe/ |newspaper=The Oban Times |accessdate=2024-02-16 |archiveurl=https://archive.today/2024.01.12-121305/https://www.argyllshireadvertiser.co.uk/2022/07/08/nessie-comes-to-loch-awe/ |archivedate=2024-01-12 }}

     The article notes: "A comedy about the fabled Loch Ness monster was shot by Loch Awe last month, as Argyll’s spectacular locations continue to attract film crews. The movie about ‘Nessie’, which weaves plotlines from the Scottish classics Local Hero and Whisky Galore, is made by the same team behind Dracula on Holiday and The Right Bus, which were showcased in the Highlands last year. ... The film also stars Scottish actor John Michie, seen on screen as DI Robbie Ross in Taggart and Karl Munro in Coronation Street. Michie plays Jimmy, a hardy soul who helps to mastermind a way to prevent the village from losing its fortune. ... Nessie is directed by Robbie Moffat and produced by Mairi Sutherland, under the British film company Palm Tree. The team, alongside production manager Rachael Sutherland, have been based at Loch Aweside’s Ardbrecknish House. Robbie, the director, was delighted to have such a cast and such a ‘beautiful’ setting as Loch Awe. While some filming was done at Loch Ness itself, the ‘stunning’ Argyll locations include Portsonachan Hotel, the Portsonachan Village Hall, lochside houses and the beach. Further afield, the crew filmed at Oban’s Glencruitten Golf course, Blarcreen House at Ardchattan and Oban Airport. The shoot ran from June 6 until July 5."

  3. {{cite news |last=Crow |first=Allan |date=2023-09-25 |title=Fife link revealed as new Nessie movie comes to the region |url=https://www.fifetoday.co.uk/arts-and-culture/film-and-tv/fife-link-revealed-as-new-nessie-movie-comes-to-the-region-4347918 |newspaper=Fife Today |accessdate=2024-02-16 |archiveurl=https://web.archive.org/web/20240216114656/https://www.fifetoday.co.uk/arts-and-culture/film-and-tv/fife-link-revealed-as-new-nessie-movie-comes-to-the-region-4347918 |archivedate=2024-02-16 }}

     The article notes: "The movie starring John Michie from Taggart, Tanya Fear from Dr Who, and Dynsast legend, Stephanie Beacham is showing at Glenrothes Kino from Friday (September 29), to the delight of Mairi Sutherland, executive producer, whose family hailed from Leven. ... Nessie. It had its premiere at the Grovenor Cinema in Glasgow in August and since then it has shown in 11 cinemas across Scotland in the central belt and as far away as Oban, Annan and Edinburgh."

  4. {{cite news |last=Merritt |first=Mike |date=2023-06-25 |title=Blockbuster Loch Ness monster movie was filmed miles away in Argyll |url=https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/blockbuster-loch-ness-monster-movie-30315664 |newspaper=Daily Record |ref={{harvid|Merritt|2023b}} |accessdate=2024-02-16 |archiveurl=https://archive.today/2024.02.16-120133/https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/blockbuster-loch-ness-monster-movie-30315664 |archivedate=2024-02-16 }}

     The article notes: "A new movie about Nessie has its own secret – it wasn’t filmed on Loch Ness. Director Robbie Moffat decided not to shoot scenes for Nessie at Loch Ness, instead choosing Loch Awe, in Argyll, as it was much more accessible for crews. But the film – which cost £500,000 to make – still includes stunning Highland scenery. ... In Nessie she plays Heather, the lawyer love interest for Geordie, who runs boat tours on Loch Ness. He is played by Jason Harvey."

  5. {{cite news |last=Bunn |first=George |date=2023-10-11 |title=Scriptwriting barrister has a monster hit on her hands!: Family film Nessie is now in cinemas |url=https://www.pressreader.com/uk/staffordshire-newsletter/20231011/281625309997939 |newspaper=The Sentinel |via=PressReader |id={{ProQuest|2873006221}} |accessdate=2024-02-16 }}

     The article notes: "Catherine O'Reilly and actor husband Tim Churchill have been writing scripts from their Stone home for the last 10 years. ... Now Catherine and co-writer Tim have had their latest work - Nessie - given the big screen treatment. The family film follows a Scottish village on the banks of Loch Ness who are awarded $50 million in the will of an eccentric monster-loving U.S. billionaire. ... The film had its premiere in Cannes. It's currently in cinemas in Scotland."

  6. {{cite news |last=Liptrott |first=Sharon |date=2023-09-08 |title=Virtual feast of films at cinema this week. What's on by Sharon Liptrott. |url=https://www.thefreelibrary.com/Virtual+feast+of+films+at+cinema+this+week.+What%27s+on+by+Sharon...-a0763791591 |newspaper=Dumfries & Galloway Standard |via=The Free Library |id={{ProQuest|2861922212}} |accessdate=2024-02-16 |archiveurl=https://web.archive.org/web/20240216120310/https://www.thefreelibrary.com/Virtual+feast+of+films+at+cinema+this+week.+What%27s+on+by+Sharon...-a0763791591 |archivedate=2024-02-16 }}

     The article notes: "The Scottish-made Nessie (PG) film comes to Annan this week after running in more than 10 indie cinemas in the Central Belt, Glasgow and Edinburgh. Mairi Sutherland of Sunset Entertainment helped to make the film as executive producer, location manager and now distributor. ... The film is about a village which attempts to validate the existence of The Loch Ness Monster. Jimmy the village committee chairman is informed by letter that the village has been left $50 million by a rich American industrialist in order to improve the life of the villagers. Incensed by the size of the legacy, the American industrialist's son Brad hires an Edinburgh law firm to contest his father's wishes and a young female solicitor, Heather, is dispatched to the Highland village to await further instructions."

  There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow Nessie to pass Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline, which requires "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject".

  Cunard (talk) 12:34, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

:*The Daily Record is a national newspaper that covered Nessie twice ({{harvnb|Merritt|2023a}} and {{harvnb|Merritt|2023b}}). Reliable sources have covered Nessie{{'}}s production ({{harvnb|Neil|2022}}), controversy over why Inverness, the home city of Nessie, did not screen the film ({{harvnb|Merritt|2023a}}), and its theatrical releases ({{harvnb|Liptrott|2023}}). There is enough coverage for Nessie to meet Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline. Cunard (talk) 12:34, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

:*:I'm skeptical of the quality of the Daily Record coverage, considering that they call it a "blockbuster" despite having only been screened in indie cinemas and not having drawn any critics' reviews. The article reads like an interview with the film's creators. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 16:01, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

:::*{{harvnb|Merritt|2023b}} has the headline "Blockbuster Loch Ness monster movie was filmed miles away in Argyll". The word "blockbuster" is mentioned in the headline only and not in the body of the article. Wikipedia:Reliable sources#Headlines says:

News headlines—including subheadlines—are not a reliable source. If the information is supported by the body of the source, then cite it from the body. Headlines are written to grab readers' attention quickly and briefly; they may be overstated or lack context, and sometimes contain exaggerations or sensationalized claims with the intention of attracting readers to an otherwise reliable article. They are often written by copy editors instead of the researchers and journalists who wrote the articles.

I consider the headline to be unreliable but the body of the article to be reliable. {{harvnb|Merritt|2023a}} and {{harvnb|Merritt|2023b}} contain several quotes from people affiliated with the film. The articles contain sufficient non-interview content to amount to significant coverage. Cunard (talk) 09:50, 18 February 2024 (UTC)

• Changing to Keep in light of the sources found and presented by Cunard. Coverage seems fairly sufficient to warrant an article on the film. Thanks a lot.-My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 19:11, 16 February 2024 (UTC)
• Keep per above. -- Necrothesp (talk) 15:49, 19 February 2024 (UTC)
• Keep per the sources cited by Cunard. There is enough coverage of this project to warrant an article. Eluchil404 (talk) 00:15, 20 February 2024 (UTC)

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