Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Neumann Classical School

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The school has not even opened so it cannot be notable see WP:NOT Wayne Jayes (talk) 20:05, 29 July 2014 (UTC)

:Note: This debate has been included in the list of New York-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 16:19, 30 July 2014 (UTC)

:Note: This debate has been included in the list of Schools-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 16:20, 30 July 2014 (UTC)

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:Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

:Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Mz7 (talk) 03:09, 5 August 2014 (UTC)

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• Merge to Yonkers, New York#Education - The article is about a private K-8 school. Most schools that only serve primary education are not notable for Wikipedia unless they have a special claim to notability. In this case, I do not see this claim to notability, and there is the fact that the school has not opened. The common outcome for primary school nominations is to merge/redirect the article. The Education section of Yonkers, New York seems like a good place for this information about a planned school. —Mz7 (talk) 15:21, 5 August 2014 (UTC)

::A redirect may make sense. Or a delete. But contrary to what the implication is in Outcomes, deletes are more common than merges (though redirects are much more common than deletes). Epeefleche (talk) 21:08, 5 August 2014 (UTC)

:::I think the reason it isn't as commonly applied as other outcomes is because there is almost always relevant information already present at the target of the redirect. (For example, if it were a public school within a school district, the school district article may already mention the school, and only a plain redirect would suffice.) In this case, there isn't any information at the merge target, and it wouldn't make sense to redirect this title to a location that doesn't even mention Neumann Classical School. Mz7 (talk) 21:18, 6 August 2014 (UTC)

::::I've looked at many of our school AfDs and redirects over the past few years, and the most common redirect is to a page that does nothing more than reflect the name of the school as being in that location. Often, the target does not have that information beforehand, and it is created as part of the redirect process. Merge I've seen very rarely -- far more rarely than delete, which has in fact been a much more common Outcome ... though less common than redirect. Epeefleche (talk) 05:26, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

• Redirect to List of schools in the Roman Catholic Archdiocese of New York if the school becomes notable once it has opened it can get its own article Wayne Jayes (talk) 06:31, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

• Comment: The nomination assertion that "The school has not even opened so it cannot be notable" is incorrect. It might be unusual, but if there is plenty of reliable coverage in advance, a proposed school could indeed meet wp:GNG and deserve a wikipedia article. Like for movies that have not yet begun filming, the standard is that those are not likely to be notable, unless indeed there is a ton of reliable coverage. --doncram 01:39, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

:*Agreed. As far as it goes. Epeefleche (talk) 06:52, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

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:Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

:Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, NorthAmerica¹⁰⁰⁰ 06:17, 13 August 2014 (UTC)

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• Delete. Not only is this school not notable, it hasn't even opened yet and its opening is not scheduled for at least another year, plus the fact that this is a low and middle school only, it should be deleted without a redirect, and only recreated as a redirect when its existence and operation can be proven. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 04:06, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

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