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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ngoc Minh

:The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Mark Arsten (talk) 01:19, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

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Does not appear to be a complete hoax, but unverifiable. In particular, this is supposedly a Chinese poet, but the article uses a Vietnamese name (with no suggestion that the alleged poet is from what is now Vietnam or southern Chinese regions that were culturally related to Vietnam). Further, it incorrectly states that Qin Shi Huang died on a search for the islands (he did send Xu Fu, among others, to look for such islands, but never went himself). While it does cite a published source, what is in here is simply too unreliable and too unverifiable to stand. Delete. --Nlu (talk) 03:27, 23 September 2012 (UTC)

  • Did you actually consult the source listed before concluding that this source did not verify any of this information? It doesn't sound like it from your comment, even if you end up being right about the information being unverifiable.

    The first version of this article (posted anonymously back when that was still possible) had all of its present substantive content, attributed to that one book. The book is listed at Amazon with a "look inside" feature [http://www.amazon.com/China-Empire-Symbols-Cecilia-Lindqvist/dp/B0057DCKQC/ref=la_B001KCTYQ8_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1348371407&sr=1-1 here], and using their search tool for "Ngoc Minh" or just "Ngoc" gets zero results; the index is also visible there and contains nothing relevant to any of this article's content. "Ngoc Minh" + Qin + poet gets [http://www.google.com/search?q=Ngoc+Minh&btnG=Search+Books&tbm=bks&tbo=1#hl=en&gs_nf=1&ds=bo&pq=ngoc%20minh%20qin%20poet&cp=11&gs_id=tj&xhr=t&q=%22Ngoc%20Minh%22%20qin%20poet&pf=p&safe=off&tbo=1&tbm=bks&sclient=psy-ab&oq=%22Ngoc+Minh%22+qin+poet&gs_l=&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.&fp=e1775dc59757cae6&biw=1600&bih=747&bs=1 nothing relevant] via Google Books. This all suggests it was an outright hoax. postdlf (talk) 03:43, 23 September 2012 (UTC)

  • Delete - Let's just be polite and say that this is a GNG failure of dubious veracity. A Vietnamese name for a Chinese poet seems unlikely. Started in 2005 by an IP, so good luck getting the creator to lend us advice on sourcing — if this is indeed legit and not a hoax. I'm not seeing anything but WP and WP mirrors in English. Vietnamese WP indicates this is the name of a commune in Bac Me District , Ha Giang Province , Vietnam. Carrite (talk) 16:27, 23 September 2012 (UTC)

:Note: This debate has been included in the list of China-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 01:07, 27 September 2012 (UTC)

:Note: This debate has been included in the list of Poetry-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 01:07, 27 September 2012 (UTC)

:Note: This debate has been included in the list of Authors-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 01:07, 27 September 2012 (UTC)

  • delete can't be verified. Perhaps the article rescue squadron could help? LibStar (talk) 13:52, 28 September 2012 (UTC)

:The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.