Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Nicholas Dunlop

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I have carried out WP:BEFORE on this biography of a climate activist, and added sources. I am not seeing significant coverage, however; most references are quotes from him about the various organisations with which he is involved. I do not think he is notable on the grounds of WP:GNG or of WP:ANYBIO. Note a recent addition of unsourced content [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Nicholas_Dunlop&diff=1277728922&oldid=1276598079 here], which I reverted; without sources, which I have not found, I don't think there is much here contributing to notability. Redirect to World Future Council might work, although at the moment he is not mentioned in that article. Tacyarg (talk) 14:59, 26 February 2025 (UTC)

• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Environment, Ireland, England, and New Zealand. Tacyarg (talk) 14:59, 26 February 2025 (UTC)

:*Comment. Linking to resources provided by a user with a CoI, {{User|TSC13}}, and, in particular, [https://content.time.com/time/specials/packages/article/0,28804,1995235_1995381_1995408,00.html this Time article]. I think for me he's still not meeting the notability criteria (the award of the Indira Gandhi Prize was to the organisation, not to Dunlop), but wanted to make sure other editors are aware of the additional references. Tacyarg (talk) 13:26, 27 February 2025 (UTC)

:*:Please see additional link to videos that he has appeared in:

:*:Documentary about Nicholas Dunlop's work on the Green Grids Initiative:https://www.climateparl.net/green-grids-initiative?wix-vod-video-id=10d10c9caa9243699ecd78163f7779ab&wix-vod-comp-id=comp-kyslszio TSC13 (talk) 14:07, 27 February 2025 (UTC)

:*:Nick Dunlop received the first Indira Gandhi Prize for Peace, Disarmament and Development from the President of India on behalf of his organisation, Parliamentarians for Global Action in 1986 in recognition of his seminal work on the Six Nations Peace Initiative. Indira Gandhi Prize#Recipients [https://indiragandhi.in/en/awardees]https://indiragandhi.in/en/awardees [https://documents.un.org/doc/undoc/gen/n89/150/99/pdf/n8915099.pdf]https://documents.un.org/doc/undoc/gen/n89/150/99/pdf/n8915099.pdf [https://eprints.whiterose.ac.uk/147587/3/Karamouzi_%20The%20Six%20Nation%20Initiative%20FINALEK.pdf]https://eprints.whiterose.ac.uk/147587/3/Karamouzi_%20The%20Six%20Nation%20Initiative%20FINALEK.pdf - Page 8 Abhishekanand2684 (talk) 15:15, 12 March 2025 (UTC)

• Comment: User:HonestDiscussion was just created today, and their userpage is a plea not to delete this article. Helpful Raccoon (talk) 02:29, 28 February 2025 (UTC)
• Comment: The article states {{tq|In 1987 he was a co-recipient of the first Indira Gandhi Peace Prize presented by the President of India.}}, but he is not listed in https://indiragandhi.in/en/awardees. Is this claim just false or is it somehow referring to a different award? Helpful Raccoon (talk) 02:35, 28 February 2025 (UTC)
• :Never mind, I see that the first award was to Parliamentarians for Global Action, which he was part of. Helpful Raccoon (talk) 02:44, 28 February 2025 (UTC)
• Delete: Can't find anything to satisfy WP:GNG or WP:ANYBIO. The Time article above does not contain significant coverage of Dunlop, and the documentary is not an independent source. The other independent coverage is mostly trivial mentions from him having led Parliamentarians for Global Action, but of course notability is not inherited. Not opposed to a redirect to World Future Council, but I'm also not sure that it's notable. Helpful Raccoon (talk) 02:57, 28 February 2025 (UTC)
• Keep for now. The article is not sufficiently referenced, should provide evidence of the subject's role and impact. Relevant references and context should be added rather than deleting at this point. I'd be happy to complete the article. Note WP:ANYBIO and WP:BASIC include no specific category for (cross-country) advocates/activists. Corresponding articles should provide evidence of influence, impact or publicity rather than apply the standards intended for academics, artists, politicians, etc. NicolasTavitian (talk) 13:07, 28 February 2025 (UTC)
• :{{ping|NicolasTavitian}} Do you have any independent sources that contain significant coverage of the subject? Helpful Raccoon (talk) 21:35, 28 February 2025 (UTC)
• ::Yes. I started inserting a few this morning. I will add the rest tomorrow if that's OK. NicolasTavitian (talk) 10:03, 1 March 2025 (UTC)
• :If you have a conflict of interest here you should declare it. Traumnovelle (talk) 20:59, 1 March 2025 (UTC)
• ::@Traumnovelle I have known him over the years, because I was once in a similar line of activity at GLOBE (more than 15 years ago). I have no financial or professional interest whatsoever in the sense Wikipedia:DCOI. I am not in this field of work anymore and have no (direct or indirect) contractual relationship with Dunlop or his organisation. I am still listed in the board of a Belgian structure of the Climate Parliament but am not actually involved in any way. My interest is in documenting the role of civil society actors in societal transformation. Cf my recent doctoral thesis on civil society engagement in the Armenian diaspora [https://www.open.ac.uk/people/nsdt3 Nicolas Tavitian | OU people profiles]. NicolasTavitian (talk) 09:13, 2 March 2025 (UTC)

:Hi I would support maintaining this article as I can confirm that the person in question has made a significant contribution in particular to organising MPs at global level on climate change within the Climate Parliament. Much of his career was pre-internet which explains why there isn't that much online. I am CEO of a global renewables association and work with Climate Parliament closely. Dizzy4Real (talk) 15:29, 2 March 2025 (UTC)

• Weak delete. Per nom and {{u|Helpful Raccoon}}, I don't see how WP:SIGCOV and WP:ANYBIO are met. Most of the coverage in the article (and that I can find elsewhere outside it) doesn't really contribute to notability. In that almost all of it was written by the subject - or orgs with which the subject has an association. The others are in the "statements made by the subject in press releases" and direct interviews with the subject. Neither of which contribute to notability. That the article was created by an SPA/COI contributor (both here and on the DE Wikipedia) is also very difficult to overlook. (The AR Wikipedia equivalent was created by a bot...) Guliolopez (talk) 20:06, 4 March 2025 (UTC)
• :I have responded below on the main points, but please note I am not the creator or author of the article. I have only been active here in the past two weeks: I reordered the article somewhat and rewrote the introductory sentence, added a sentence on the "Supergrids" in para 1, but otherwise my work has consisted in adding relevant references. NicolasTavitian (talk) 15:02, 7 March 2025 (UTC)
• Comment: It's hard to see how the newly provided sources support notability. Interviews and sources created by Dunlop himself do not support notability. The only sources I would consider are the Planet Champions book and the Evening Post piece. In the Planet Champions book, the author profiles various people he met while working as an activist, so I don't think his coverage of Dunlop can be considered independent. I have no idea how much coverage the Evening Post piece contains, but a single source is not enough in any case. Helpful Raccoon (talk) 20:56, 4 March 2025 (UTC)

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@Helpfulraccoon and @Guliolopez. I beg to differ on the quality or reliability of some of those sources. Being the object of a case study in an Open University course is an indication of impact (note 10 - the Open University is the largest university in the UK). The Time Magazine article (note 2) is actually signed by a staff journalist. The apparent signature on the internet version is a mistake, as the mag's paper copy attests. Coverage in Time Magazine is surely relevant as well. Both BBC interviews feature Dunlop. I'll specify the relevant time slot in the reference as requested (notes 3 and 4). I don't see on what basis the book (Planet Champions, note 6) should be dismissed; it is a study of exemplary and impactful activists.

WP:NBIO for an activist is not publicity per se but documented evidence of impact (from multiple, independent and reliable sources). Activists or advocates do not necessarily seek publicity for themselves but for their cause or ideas. The references should therefore be expected to provide sufficient evidence that Dunlop is recognized as having made a (significant) impact. They should not be expected to show that he is widely known in the media or in the public.

I have additional relevant references to add, including from the NYT & other national papers. I will do my best to do this in the next few days and to correct or complete existing references as suggested.NicolasTavitian (talk) 17:14, 8 March 2025 (UTC)

I think I have now solidly referenced all statements in the text, except for the last paragraph. I have found quite a few other sources, but did not see the point of crowding the text with redundant endnotes. I also did not want to add to the text at this stage. If WB:BIO is still considered unsatisfactory, I will need to add details to the text. The reference to the Indira Gandhi prize is problematic because there is a mistake on the site: they placed a photo of 1988 laureate next to the name of 1986 prize winners PGA instead of the picture of the year's recipients; the fact that Dunlop received the prize on behalf of the organisation is documented elsewhere however. I also could not find references, only campaign material, in connection with the statements on di Caprio and rock band Crosby, Stills and Nash. NicolasTavitian (talk) 20:02, 9 March 2025 (UTC)

• Delete I spot checked the references, and found them lacking. For example, [http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/702410.stm this BBC news source] doesn't mention him at all. Why is it cited in the article if it's nothing to do with him? In conclusion, there just aren't enough substantial references, which those arguing to delete mentioned above. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 10:44, 13 March 2025 (UTC)
• :This is a reference to EarthAction's campaign with diCaprio. EarthAction, is the organisation he directed. Does that address your question? As I say, that sentence otherwise still lacks references regarding work with the band.
• :Can you specify which other references, if any, your find lacking? NicolasTavitian (talk) 17:29, 13 March 2025 (UTC)
• :Is the issue with the number of references? I can add more if that is the issue, there are plenty more. But I would have thought that the existing references in paragraphs 1 and 2 of the "career" section are now sufficient. NicolasTavitian (talk) 22:57, 13 March 2025 (UTC)

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• Delete per user:Helpful Raccoon Variety312 (talk) 17:44, 20 March 2025 (UTC)

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