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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Nicolas Samuel Lietzau

:The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Withdrawn‎__EXPECTED_UNCONNECTED_PAGE__. After discussion, a source has been found that confirms Lietzau is notable per point three of WP:CREATIVE. (non-admin closure) Schminnte (talk • contribs) 06:28, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

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Non notable author. Part of the development team for Enderal, but notability is not inherited. PROD was contested on grounds of there being a German Wikipedia article, hence the listing here. Schminnte (talk • contribs) 21:38, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

  • Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Authors-related deletion discussions. Schminnte (talk • contribs) 21:38, 17 June 2023 (UTC)
  • Weak delete. Cannot find any amount of independent coverage that confirms the significance of this person's collaborative role in the creation of the notable works they've contributed to. As such does not meet WP:V. A proper independent source could change my mind.. Edit: Vote retracted, my concern is addressed by Mitumial's Eurogamer source below. —siroχo 21:53, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

:Delete - the only WP:RS that's listed in the article is this one from the Münchner Merkur, a major Bavarian newspaper. Besides that, everything else is cited to a Reddit thread, Lietzau-Schreiber's own website, WP:IMDb, and several MobyGames databases; which, while appearing to be more reliable, I'm not exactly sure grants too much nota-points to him, considering its effectively just an online credits page. Maybe there's more sources for him in German? - Knightoftheswords281 (Talk · Contribs) 22:05, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

::Lietzau is a known games writer and narrative expert in Germany. He has been interviewed several times by Gamestar, a major German games outlet ([https://www.gamestar.de/videos/enderal-aufzeichnung-unseres-streams-mit-dem-entwickler-der-mod,89375.html Example 1] [https://www.gamestar.de/artikel/spellforce-3-enderal-autor-schreibt-an-den-dialogen-mit,3311290.html Example 2] [https://www.gamestar.de/artikel/kolumne-zu-bezahlten-mods-enderal-entwickler-wir-bleiben-kostenlos,3085218.htmlExample 3]) Example 2 also provides proof for his involvement in the SpellForce series. He has appeared as an expert on various games-related German podcasts, and, more recently, is set to speak at a storytelling panel at HFF (a major German film school) whose expert speakers were selected by Games Bavaria, a government-funded games program. ([https://www.games-bavaria.com/press-play-to-story-kunst-und-handwerk-des-geschichtenerzaehlens-in-spielen/ Link]. ) MobyCredits is a reliable source for game credits, but (aside from Example 2 above) his name appears in the credits of SpellForce 3 in the indicated role. [https://youtube.com/1ZE1IEjyCL8 Credits]

::I am happy to provide more sources if needed. Mitumial (talk) 22:48, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

:::@Mitumial: on English Wikipedia, interviews do not count towards notability. Schminnte (talk • contribs) 23:22, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

::@Knightoftheswords281, I just looked at Wikipedia:WikiProject Video games/Sources, and they list MobyGames as an unreliable source due to it being user generated (like iMDb). Schminnte (talk • contribs) 10:40, 18 June 2023 (UTC)

:::What is considered a reliable source of credits? Are the credit video and the Gamestar article linked above considered sufficient? Mitumial (talk) 12:02, 18 June 2023 (UTC)

::::The YouTube video is showing up a HTTP 404 error for me. The gamestar interviews seem fine, but as I said, they are primary sources and cannot be used to show that Lietzau is notable (see Wikipedia:No original research subsection). Schminnte (talk • contribs) 12:25, 18 June 2023 (UTC)

:[https://www.gamekult.com/actualite/nehrim-et-enderal-au-dela-de-elder-scrolls-3050797359.html Gamekult], says they are "one of the project leaders". IgelRM (talk) 20:49, 18 June 2023 (UTC)

::I'm sorry: all I'm seeing here are passing mentions to Lietzau's participation in a notable game, nothing that shows that he himself is notable. That is my concern here. Schminnte (talk • contribs) 21:08, 18 June 2023 (UTC)

:::By WP:CREATIVE.3 the notability of a work can establish notability of the creators. However, it's especially to do that here hard cross-language. The Gamekult article seems promising but it seems to be partly an interview, which wouldn't necessarily verify the fact that this person was deeply involved in creation? Really tough call here. —siroχo 21:46, 18 June 2023 (UTC)

::::I agree. As the interviews are coming from Lietzau, I would say that they shouldn't be used to gauge his impact on the project. Would be interested to hear others' thoughts. Schminnte (talk • contribs) 22:06, 18 June 2023 (UTC)

:::::Here's another article from gaming outlet Eurogamer that mentions Lietzau as the Lead Writer of the project, but isn't an interview: [https://www.eurogamer.net/skyrim-mod-enderal-gets-dlc-expansion-of-its-own Link] Mitumial (talk) 14:55, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

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