Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Nicole White

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WP:BLP of an activist and unelected political candidate, not properly sourced as having a strong claim to passing inclusion criteria.
The attempted notability claim as a politician is that she was the first out LGBTQ candidate in a provincial election in her province, while the notability claim as an activist is that she was one of the several people who challenged Saskatchewan's marriage laws in the short time between Halpern and the Civil Marriage Act. But as always, candidates do not get Wikipedia articles just for being candidates, and have to show that they were already notable for other reasons independently of the candidacy.
However, the "first LGBTQ candidate" thing is completely unreferenced and unverified (and note that we have seen more than one case in the past of people who were claimed as "first member of X minority group to do a thing" who turned out, upon investigation, to have been preceded by other people the article's creator just hadn't heard of, so we can't just take random internet users' word for it without sourcing), so that's not an instant notability freebie that would exempt her from having to pass WP:GNG on her sourcing — and it's questionable whether it would even be all that historically significant even if it were verifiable, given that her province had already elected at least two out LGBTQ municipal councillors (and one MLA who admittedly wasn't out at the time but came out later) before her.
Meanwhile, the same-sex marriage lawsuit is referenced solely to a brief glancing namecheck of her existence in a magazine article about the overall case, rather than any significant coverage devoted specifically to her own personal role in it, and the rest of the referencing here consists entirely of primary sources that aren't support for notability at all. And, for added bonus, none of the other plaintiffs in the lawsuit have Wikipedia articles at all (not even the one who was also one of the city councillors whose time in office preceded White's campaign), and this article does absolutely nothing to demonstrate that White was somehow more individually notable than any of the others. And even on a WP:BEFORE search, about all I can find is a small blip of WP:BLP1E coverage upon her recent reception of an award that still isn't highly meganotable enough to confer an instant notability freebie in and of itself on a person who's otherwise poorly sourced.
Nothing here is "inherently" notable enough to exempt her from having to have a stronger notability claim, and better sourcing for it, than this. Bearcat (talk) 20:12, 4 May 2025 (UTC)

• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Politicians and Canada. Bearcat (talk) 20:12, 4 May 2025 (UTC)
• Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Women-related deletion discussions. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 01:30, 5 May 2025 (UTC)

• keep it seems this is the same person that [https://www.sasktoday.ca/everybody-has-a-story/saskatoon-woman-recognized-for-transformative-advocacy-work-9701273 got this award?] It seems just this Governor General's Awards would make her pass GNG. It also seems like she is notable for In 2021, Nicole’s tireless advocacy during her pregnancy resulted in the removal of the requirement for parents to be biologically related to be listed on their child’s birth certificate, aptly named “Alice’s Law” in honour of her daughter. I also think the profile in Sasktoday is enough for WP:RS. --hroest 16:40, 5 May 2025 (UTC)

::Passing GNG requires quite a bit more than just one reliable source, and the Governor General's Award in Commemoration of the Persons Case is not the same thing as the high-level Governor General's Awards in literature or the performing arts. It would be a valid notability claim if the article were well-sourced, but it is not "inherently" notable enough to exempt a person from having to have a lot more than just one GNG-worthy source. Bearcat (talk) 20:30, 5 May 2025 (UTC)

• Delete: I think this is the same person [https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saskatchewan/change-agents-three-saskatchewan-women-who-were-heroes-in-their-communities-in-2022-1.6700013], but it alone isn't enough for notability. Rest of the sources now in the article aren't helpful. Oaktree b (talk) 23:19, 5 May 2025 (UTC)

• comment I did some further analysis on this subject and the main news stories over the last few years: [https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saskatchewan/couple-fight-brings-change-to-birth-certificates-1.6159745] [https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saskatchewan/change-agents-three-saskatchewan-women-who-were-heroes-in-their-communities-in-2022-1.6700013][https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saskatchewan/bystander-training-sexual-harassment-workplace-1.5665048] [https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/north/period-products-headed-to-northern-and-remote-communities-1.7207968] [https://www.cbc.ca/radio/unreserved/indigenous-firsts-from-doctor-of-pharmacy-to-photographer-1.3994265] [https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saskatoon/4-feminists-hopes-better-future-1.6771106] [https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/calgary-airport-pricey-tampons-1.4432557][https://www.ckom.com/2024/06/19/saskatoon-couple-reflect-on-20-years-of-legalized-same-sex-marriage/][https://www.sasktoday.ca/everybody-has-a-story/saskatoon-woman-recognized-for-transformative-advocacy-work-9701273][https://calgaryherald.com/news/local-news/shock-at-pricey-tampons-at-calgary-airport-but-thats-the-norm-in-the-north] and of these I believe the following have WP:SIGCOV in a WP:RS:

::[https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saskatchewan/change-agents-three-saskatchewan-women-who-were-heroes-in-their-communities-in-2022-1.6700013 three in-depth profiles, one of which is the subject (CBC)]

::[https://www.ckom.com/2024/06/19/saskatoon-couple-reflect-on-20-years-of-legalized-same-sex-marriage/ in depth profile in CKOM]

::[https://www.sasktoday.ca/everybody-has-a-story/saskatoon-woman-recognized-for-transformative-advocacy-work-9701273 In-depth profile in Sasktoday]

:-- overall I see 10 news articles in RS that quote her / interview her of which there are three which contain in-depth profiles of her specifically. Together with the awards, three good sources and a bunch of other mentions/interviews should be more than enough for GNG. --hroest 12:35, 7 May 2025 (UTC)

:::Lots of people can show enough local human interest coverage in their own hometown media to claim that they passed WP:GNG, without actually having any meaningful notability claim that would be expected to enshrine them in an international encyclopedia for posterity — so GNG doesn't just count the number of media hits you can find on a person, and also takes into account the context of what that coverage is being given for. Sources that quote or interview her, for example, are not support for notability, per WP:INTERVIEWS, so most of those links aren't doing anything to help — and of the three you identified as the most substantive, they amount to local human interest coverage in Saskatoon, and aren't supporting anything that would constitute a nationalized or internationalized notability claim. Bearcat (talk) 14:51, 7 May 2025 (UTC)

::::I would not claim notability beyond her province, however there is no requirement for national prominence to pass WP:GNG. WP:GNG requires significant coverage in reliable media which means we have the basis to write an article about her that is based on solid information. Here we have three relatively high quality and in-depth profiles of her in reputable outlets. Furthermore, it is clear that she had a significant role to play in the advancement of LGBTQ rights in her province, being at the core of 2 legal battles for civil rights. Personally I find that interesting and worthy of preservation for the future. --hroest 21:28, 7 May 2025 (UTC)

• Delete The Sasktoday article is the best of the profiles provided by hroest. There is no question that the subject is interesting, but interesting is not sufficient for a stand-alone page. Also, passing WP:GNG is "not a guarantee" and "editorial judgment goes into each decision about whether or not to create a separate page." --Enos733 (talk) 05:08, 9 May 2025 (UTC)
• Keep As well as the coverage identified above by hroest, I've so far found coverage of her in newspapers from states other than Saskatchewan, from 2004-2021, including a profile in the Ottawa Citizen in 2013 [https://www.newspapers.com/article/the-ottawa-citizen-everyday-citizen-proj/172102194/], as well as coverage in Alberta and Toronto newspapers of her work getting donations of menstrual supplies to northern Saskatchewan communities and coverage in BC and Ontario of her same-sex marriage case. RebeccaGreen (talk) 19:08, 10 May 2025 (UTC)

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• Keep. Sources indicate sufficient notability per GNG. Mifflefunt 00:26, 12 May 2025 (UTC)
• Delete somewhat difficult to search for, the sources above are helpful, but the best one - directly on her - was also submitted to a local paper by her company. I do think that there's a chance this could be draftified, resubmitted and kept, but given the poor sourcing, BLP issues, and the lack of a clear GNG pass, I don't see how we can keep this unfortunately. (The Ottawa paper is clearly not GNG-qualifying, it's a feature on "everyday citizens.") SportingFlyer T·C 07:52, 16 May 2025 (UTC)
• Delete The few sources do not establish notability. Merely being a activist is not enough for a stand alone article. Ramos1990 (talk) 04:16, 18 May 2025 (UTC)

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