Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Nikoi Island, Indonesia

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Not notable, uninhabited speck of land with a small, non-notable resort on it. Spam for the resort owners. One of several small islands being hawked here: [http://www.bintan-islands.com/islands/nikoi_island.html] No evidence of notability. Sumbuddi (talk) 23:50, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

• Delete No sources and fails to establish any notability. Also, the main resources is a commercial website, which is unacceptable. King Ruby (talk) 00:06, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
• Comment - I think all sizeable islands are notable, but I'd like a consensus from the community about this one in particular. I removed the Prod for that reason. Bearian (talk) 02:15, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
• Keep We have kept any hamlet which is a dot on a map, without any references other than a government database, in past AFDs. This small island at least has a commercial presence on it verifiable via a [http://books.google.com/books?id=7tkZqxcbYdMC&q=%22Nikoi+Island%22&dq=%22Nikoi+Island%22&lr=&as_drrb_is=q&as_minm_is=0&as_miny_is=&as_maxm_is=0&as_maxy_is=&as_brr=0&cd=1 guidebook] which discusses recreational opportunities on the island, and some coverage on websites about tourism/newspapers at Google News Archive [http://news.google.com/archivesearch?as_q=&num=10&hl=en&btnG=Search+Archives&as_epq=%22Nikoi+Island%22&as_oq=&as_eq=&as_user_ldate=&as_user_hdate=&lr=&as_src=&as_price=p0&as_scoring=a]: [http://www.time.com/time/specials/2007/article/0,28804,1642444_1867336_1867333,00.html Time magazine], [http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/specials/the_times_luxx/article4773054.ece Times Online], [http://www.asiaone.com/print/Travel/Places%2B%2526%2BInterests/Region/Asia/Story/A1Story20090529-144794.html] , [http://thestar.com.my/lifestyle/story.asp?file=/2009/5/23/lifetravel/3879362&sec=lifetravel]. Edison (talk) 02:37, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

:*Comment I don't think this qualifies in the same way as a hamlet. There's no evidence that it even had a name before it was developed into a resort. It certainly doesn't appear to have had human habitation. It is only noteworthy because it's a resort, and its notability should be be considered in the same way as any other resort. Sumbuddi (talk) 03:59, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

• ::CommentSorry that I was unclear. I did not mean that this island is a hamlet, just that if hamlets are notable why not islands, which are real geographic features and not just a dot on the map where a few people once lived. A habitable island which has had significant coverage in major publications seems to satisfy notability. If it were just a motel along the highway or a fishing camp/resort on a lake its notability would be more in question. It does appear to have been a geographic feature before it was a resort, per the appearance of "Nikoi Island" in government publications back to 1944, but only snippet views are available so I cannot rule it being some other "Nikoi Island." See the last 4 hits at Google Book Search:[http://books.google.com/books?as_q=&num=10&btnG=Google+Search&as_epq=Nikoi+island&as_oq=&as_eq=&as_brr=0&as_pt=ALLTYPES&lr=&as_vt=&as_auth=&as_pub=&as_sub=&as_drrb_is=q&as_minm_is=0&as_miny_is=&as_maxm_is=0&as_maxy_is=&as_isbn=&as_issn=]. Maybe someone has access via a research library, or could check an old map. Edison (talk) 17:34, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
• Weak Keep per Edison's logic. As far as notability goes, I've seen worse(ie tiny Hamlets do abound to mind) Outback the koala (talk) 08:20, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
• Keep - The coverage found by Edison is significant and is independent of the topic. It is also a verified geographical island.--Oakshade (talk) 16:48, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
• Keep - Is a real, existing place, and all places are notable. Dew Kane (talk) 16:20, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

• Keep - Per Dew Kane's reasoning. But the article is promotional and needs cleanup. Nuujinn (talk) 18:57, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

• Note: This article has been nominated for rescue. Nuujinn (talk) 19:00, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

;New Version

Please take another look, I've done made a series of edits and added references. I've not removed the templates characterizing the problems with this article, although I think some of them no longer apply. The tone is I think much less promotional and I've added references--although they are pretty fluffy, they are better than nothing. Nuujinn (talk) 22:47, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

• Keep. Per above and clean-up work and references introduced. -- Banjeboi 10:44, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

• Comment. I've cleaned up some more, happy to keep now. Sumbuddi (talk) 19:12, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

• Comment Huh? this is an Indonesian subject and is not listed there in the Indonesian Afd list - and now we have the nominator happy to keep - please note that process is better when including the project that relates to the subject - specially Indonesian places SatuSuro 23:12, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

:Huh? It is listed at the bottom of WP:WikiProject_Indonesia, exactly as it should be.

:This is more of a resort than a place btw, although it seems to be notable enough as a resort. Incidentally, I think you could find the same kind of sources (basically hotel reviews) as this article now has for a few other Indonesian resorts: all five of Indonesia's Amanresorts will have reviews in major newspapers, Nihiwatu, on Sumba, definitely. Cubadak island is another in the same category as Nikoi, possibly nearby Sikuai also. I created Bintan Resorts just now. Sumbuddi (talk) 00:28, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

• Keep: Article has improved since nomination. We need to get a location map on there.--Milowent (talk) 04:07, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

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