Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Nissan Rilov

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Article is closely paraphrased from [http://web.archive.org/web/20071030003123/http://www.hagada.org.il/eng/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=126] The source is also a personal reflection on the life of a friend, and does not, I think qualify as a reliable source. Searching LexisNexis, the only mention of Rilov I could find was in the Canadian-Jewish progressive magazine Outlook. [http://www.vcn.bc.ca/outlook/] The full text of that article is not available to me, but the title and author are identical to the source above. There is nothing in the Google News archive. There are two English-language hits in a Google books search - in one case, Rilov's name is mentioned as one of several people who signed a letter, which is not evidence of notability. In the other case, there is a discussion of a dispute over his passport in the Intercontinental Press in 1970, but only a snippet view is available. If this individual was notable, I would expect there to be more than one obituary in an obscure publication and a mention in one article in 1970. GabrielF (talk) 16:31, 11 March 2012 (UTC) GabrielF (talk) 16:31, 11 March 2012 (UTC)

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• Keep I'll see what I can find. I actually met Rilov several times, and visited his London exhibition in 1991; I should have some reliable references. Please give me time to find them. RolandR (talk) 21:52, 11 March 2012 (UTC)

::I have already added more text, cited to reliable sources (the Israel Museum Information Center for Israeli Art, and the local paper in the French department where he established an arts centre). There appears to be a substantial interview in the book Retours d'Israël, by Maurice Rajsfus. I do not have access to the book, and my French is probably not adequate for a satisfactory translation; but someone may be able to obtain and cite this. I have somewhere, though it will take a while to find it, the catalogue for his 1991 London exhibition. Most of the Hebrew sources notred by Zero appear to be mirrors of either the Hebrew Wikipedia article (which has little that is not in our article) or the Orr obituary. I'll study the references more closely tomorrow; but meanwhile, the article is significantly better sourced. RolandR (talk) 23:47, 11 March 2012 (UTC)

• Keep There seem to be quite a few sources in Hebrew, though I'm not in a position to judge their quality. This listing seems to me premature; shouldn't one tag it for more sources, list it in project pages, etc, before trying to delete it? Zero^talk 22:23, 11 March 2012 (UTC)

::Actually, the opposite is true. It should have been (and still should be) speedy deleted as a copyvio and if anyone wants to create a new article, can starts anew (assuming this person is notable). --brewcrewer (yada, yada) 22:48, 11 March 2012 (UTC)

• Keep There are enough sources to indicate notability. If someone can access the French sources listed above and send them to me I will add the relevant info to the article. While there was a problem with close paraphrasing, that is being dealt with. There was nev a straight out copyvio problem, contrary to Brewcrer's assertions, and a speedy delete, even if previously justified, is not now, in light of the sources added by RolandR. Tiamut^talk 19:11, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

::I don't have access to the French text, beyond the snippets available on Google Books.[http://books.google.co.uk/books?ei=6lJeT4XWD8W-0QWm5uG9DQ&id=yXUxAAAAIAAJ&dq=rajsfus+rilov&q=rilov#search_anchor]. According to Google search, the interview begins "Nissan RILOV «JE SUIS UN JUIF PALESTINIEN!» Nissan Rilov est né en 1922 à Kherson (Ukraine). En 1924, ses parents décident de quitter l'urss et se fixent provisoirement en Bessarabie, à Kichinev. En 1928, la famille arrive en Palestine"[https://www.google.com/search?q=rajsfus+rilov&num=100&hl=en&client=firefox-a&hs=n0W&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&prmd=imvns&source=lnms&tbm=bks&ei=5VJeT5-HEYGg0QXyoumeCA&sa=X&oi=mode_link&ct=mode&cd=2&ved=0CBAQ_AUoAQ&prmdo=1]. Our article currently states that he was born in 1918, which contradicts this text; I don't know which is correct. The book is available to purchase at a very high price. The only place in London I can find it is the British Library. You may be able to find the book at a library local to you, particularly if you are affiliated to an academic institution. RolandR (talk) 19:55, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

::I would recommend requesting it at the resource exchange. GabrielF (talk) 20:19, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

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