Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Norma Hunt

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Fails WP:GNG as the majority of the sources available (that I can find) about her are reporting on her death which doesn't qualify as significant coverage. She didn't inherit notability from her her husband after his death and isn't automatically notable because her son is. After stripping away all the unsourced and inaccurate information there is barely enough for an article and even the article's lede fails to properly establish notability.Rockchalk717 23:05, 7 June 2023 (UTC)

• Delete: While certainly there is pre-death coverage about her, it seems less centered around her and more around her husband and her being in the Never Miss a Super Bowl Club, and isn't particularly detailed about her per se so I'd say it still fails WP:GNG. Thus I would say the information is better worked into her family members' articles and the club's article, where/if it hasn't already. Duonaut ^{(talk | contribs)} 23:29, 7 June 2023 (UTC)
• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Businesspeople, Women, and American football. Hey man im josh (talk) 00:17, 8 June 2023 (UTC)

:*Merge: to Never Miss a Super Bowl Club. Seems to be the most notable thing about her and she's not mentioned in the current article.

:TulsaPoliticsFan (talk) 00:25, 8 June 2023 (UTC)

::*Comment: She is mentioned briefly in a section, although that nonetheless could probably use a look-over to see if any info could be merged.

::Duonaut ^{(talk | contribs)} 00:36, 8 June 2023 (UTC)

:::Everything in the article, which isn't very much, is already mentioned in any other relevant articles.--Rockchalk717 00:39, 8 June 2023 (UTC)

::I'd prefer Lamar Hunt#Personal life. Norma is better known as the Kansas City Chiefs owner and Lamar Hunt's wife. Hey man im josh (talk) 00:51, 8 June 2023 (UTC)

:::Still, once again the information (all 2 sentences of it) in her article is already mentioned in Lamar Hunt's article, the Never Miss a Super Bowl Article, and the Chiefs article. So that pretty much eliminates the need for a merger.--Rockchalk717 01:31, 8 June 2023 (UTC)

• Redirect to Lamar Hunt#Personal life. No need for a merge as most of the content is already in Lamar’s article and/or Never Miss a Super Bowl Club. Likewise, an outright delete in not a good choice since her name is a reasonable search term. Frank Anchor 12:04, 8 June 2023 (UTC)

:I'm ok with a redirect too. Possibly add creation protection too because I do feel like it's strong possibility the redirect could be removed at some point.--Rockchalk717 18:10, 8 June 2023 (UTC)

::I would support creation protection as well. Frank Anchor 21:09, 10 June 2023 (UTC)

• Keep. Plainly passes WP:GNG with WP:SIGCOV in multiple, reliable, independent sources, including major national outlets. See [https://www.npr.org/2023/06/05/1180091024/norma-hunt-kansas-city-chiefs NPR] (in-depth coverage in national media), [https://www.foxnews.com/sports/chiefs-matriarch-norma-hunt-wife-widow-founder-lamar-hunt-dead-85 Fox News], [https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/chiefs/2023/06/04/norma-hunt-kansas-city-chiefs-matriarch-dies-85/70287285007/ USA Today], [https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/37796861/norma-hunt-matriarch-kansas-city-chiefs-dies-85 ESPN.com], [https://www.si.com/nfl/2023/06/09/chiefs-mother-norma-hunt-death-wife-founder Sports Illustrated], [https://people.com/kansas-city-chiefs-matriarch-norma-hunt-dies-at-85-patrick-mahomes-says-she-was-the-best-7508179 People magazine], [https://www.kansascity.com/sports/nfl/kansas-city-chiefs/article276235551.html Kansas City Star], [https://www.kansascity.com/opinion/letters-to-the-editor/article276202056.html Kansas City Star], [https://www.dallasnews.com/sports/cowboys/2023/06/04/norma-hunt-flashback-how-former-richardson-teacher-absorbed-football-familys-passion/ Dallas Morning News], [https://www.dallasnews.com/sports/cowboys/2023/06/04/norma-hunt-flashback-how-former-richardson-teacher-absorbed-football-familys-passion/ Dallas Morning News], [https://nypost.com/2023/06/04/norma-hunt-chiefs-matriarch-and-wife-of-lamar-dead-at-85/ New York Post]. Cbl62 (talk) 15:28, 11 June 2023 (UTC)

:: There is nothing in WP:GNG that says that editorially-independent and in-depth obituary coverage does not count in establishing notability. In any event, the coverage is not limited to the time of her death. See [https://www.newspapers.com/article/the-kansas-city-star-norma-hunt/126219023/ this from 2016]. Cbl62 (talk) 15:34, 11 June 2023 (UTC)

• {{ping|TulsaPoliticsFan}} {{ping|FrankAnchor}} {{ping|Hey man im josh}} {{ping|Rockchalk717}} {{ping|Duonaut}} The article has now been rewritten with sources (including national sources) he showing her notability. I ask that you each take a second look and reconsider your earlier votes. Cbl62 (talk) 17:45, 11 June 2023 (UTC)

::Soft keep: I'm skeptical that this person is notable, but I do think you're making a good faith effort to meet WP:GNG. I would be fine with keeping in the current state, but it still needs improvement. TulsaPoliticsFan (talk) 18:02, 11 June 2023 (UTC)

::: Thank you for keeping an open mind, User:TulsaPoliticsFan. If you can clarify which aspects of the article you believe still need improvement, I'd be happy to work on them. Cbl62 (talk) 18:14, 11 June 2023 (UTC)

::::Just more sourcing and coverage from their lifetime. It looks like 7/12 of the sources are obits. If you have access to a newspaper archive like Newspapers.com or Newspaperarchive.com they can help with finding older news coverage. TulsaPoliticsFan (talk) 18:31, 11 June 2023 (UTC)

:::::{{replyto|Cbl62}} Amazing work making sure it passes GNG. I have withdrawn my nomination.--Rockchalk717 23:09, 11 June 2023 (UTC)

• Keep Looks to be as if plenty of sources exist that prove notability. Quality can be improved, sure, but she was the (at least co) owner of a multi billion dollar sports club in a multi multi billion dollar industry. Johannes Frederick-Gaitan (talk) 22:50, 11 June 2023 (UTC)

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