Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ohio State Route 325

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None of the sources currently on the page give any indication of notability and I can't find any offsite which do. There are no approved additional notability standards for roads so we are to judge this by WP:GNG and on those grounds its a hard fail. Horse Eye's Back (talk) 15:19, 19 October 2022 (UTC)

• Keep - the notability is indicated by the Ohio Department of Highways assigning a state route number to this road. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Minnesota_State_Highway_91 This] [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Minnesota_State_Highway_127 is] [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Texas_State_Highway_Loop_473 well]-[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Kentucky_Route_595 established] [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Connecticut_Route_140 precedence]. - Floydian ^τ _¢ 16:47, 19 October 2022 (UTC)
• I just found 150 matches on Newspapers.com through WP:TWL? Nova Chrysalia (Talk) 17:12, 19 October 2022 (UTC)

::Thats wonderful! But do any give the sort of coverage which can establish reliability? Horse Eye's Back (talk) 17:53, 19 October 2022 (UTC)

• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Transportation and Ohio. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 18:58, 19 October 2022 (UTC)
• Keep - Per WP:GEOROAD, which is part of the notability guideline, “International road networks (such as the International E-road network), Interstate, national, state and provincial highways are typically notable.” The precedent set at WP:USRD/P has illustrated this notability multiple times. In addition, per WP:5P, Wikipedia is a gazetteer, which would include geographical features such as roads. State highways are notable enough for an article as the state DOT deems the road important enough for automobile transportation by maintaining it and assigning it a number. State highways are mentioned in maps by both the DOT and third-party map companies such as Rand McNally and are often mentioned in news sources, some archives of which are not readily accessible to editors. Dough4872 19:23, 19 October 2022 (UTC)

::We aren't a gazetteer. If its typically notable then a large amount of the time its not notable... Typically notable =/= generally notable. You are misrepresenting the precedent at WP:USRD/P in addition to misrepresenting the weight that precedent holds. Horse Eye's Back (talk) 14:14, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

• Keep State highways are generally considered notable based on GEOROAD and precedence as pointed out above. Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 22:03, 19 October 2022 (UTC)

:: Typically notable =/= generally notable. Precedent is worthless unless based on policy and guideline, which this precedent is not. Horse Eye's Back (talk) 14:14, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

• SNOW keep per WP:GEOROAD and the nominator's drive-by nominations of similar articles, and per the sources found. --Rschen7754 01:09, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

::No sources have been found which contribute to notability. Horse Eye's Back (talk) 14:14, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

:Delete Lacks any significant coverage establishing notability. Wikipedia having features of a gazetteer (not that it is one) still does not mean that any geographic place or stretch of asphalt inherently must have a stand-alone article. Wikipedia:Notability_(geographic_features)#Sources explicitly says that maps are excluded from establishing notability, so the above statement about being marked on them is useless. GEOROAD says that state highways may be "typically notable", NOT that they are inherently notable and exempt from needing substantive sources. Reywas92^Talk 02:48, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

:*The idea conveyed is that state highways generally do have enough (usually newspaper) sources out there to establish notability. In fact, given the comment about TWL above I suspect that your comment is a premature declaration. --Rschen7754 00:22, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

• Redirect to List of state routes in Ohio. I cannot find anything more than passing mentions. This route does not meet our notability guidelines, but is a valid search term and should redirect to the relevant list article. Keep votes are simply "keep per GEOROAD" which is not an absolute and leaves room for editorial discretion, such as redirecting to an appropriate list article. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 16:49, 20 October 2022 (UTC)
• Keep for the same reasoning as at Ohio State Route 328; AfD is not the proper venue to modify WP:GEOROAD and per that guideline state highways are generally notable. Elli (talk | contribs) 21:51, 20 October 2022 (UTC)
• "Generally notable" does NOT mean "screw non-map sources (which the sources section on the same page explicity excludes), these are automatically notable." This AFD does not modify Georoad, it enforces it. Georoad even links to Wikipedia:Notability (highways), which says "If the article does not answer the question of why does this road exist, that is grounds for deletion of the article." Since this only describes the route with no non-map sources, this is not satisfied. Reywas92^Talk 14:47, 21 October 2022 (UTC)
• Keep. Per {{u|Dough4872}} at this and the other similarly-nominated state highway articles: {{tpq|State highways are notable enough for an article as the state DOT deems the road important enough for automobile transportation by maintaining it and assigning it a number.}} Per WP:5P, Wikipedia contains features of a gazetteer, and an article containing textual information about a roadway deemed of importance on the highest subnational level is such a feature. Quoting WP:ROADOUTCOMES: {{tpq|Most numbered roadways are acceptable if they can be described beyond the route itself.}} It is customary for this and other articles supported by WP:USRD to indicate information about not only the route itself (e.g., major intersections), but also its history and upkeep. This information can be compiled not only from primary sources (e.g., the respective state's transportation authority), but also from secondary sources (e.g., coverage from newspapers). I concede that some articles about highways do not presently contain this information, and that sourcing for the early history of a highway may be somewhat difficult to find for a highway designated in the 1930s. However, "difficult" is not "impossible", as has been shown by the providing of relevant sources during the course of the current discussion related to MN 91. Such issues are WP:SURMOUNTABLE and are not reasons for deletion, as noted at the discussion of many similar articles that have been kept as listed at WP:USRD/P. --Kinu ^t/_c 01:34, 21 October 2022 (UTC)
• This is insane: "Most numbered roadways are acceptable if they can be described beyond the route itself." There is literally not a single word here not about the route, so by your own admission this is not acceptable. Without non-map sources or content, there is no policy-based reason to keep this. Reywas92^Talk 14:47, 21 October 2022 (UTC)
• The article now contains information about the route's inclusion as part of a state scenic byway and a proposed construction project. There are also other sources which are paywalled. I will attempt to expand the content further. --Kinu ^t/_c 20:14, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

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