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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Olli Petra

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:The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. I fully expect this to go to DRV, and I don't mind if it does because it'll highlight a possible problematic issue; like User:Courcelles, who relisted it, I am uncomfortable with retaining this. Our notability guidelines in this area are not clear. This person clearly doesn't have any "prolonged or substantial coverage', the only reference is to the medal win, and it's a BLP about a minor. I'm going to err on the side of safety here, I'm afraid. If/when it can be decided that Youth Olympics medal winners are specifically notable even if they don't pass WP:GNG, then restoration would be indicated. Black Kite (t) (c) 03:47, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

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User:AngChenrui is currently adding dozens of articles on children that won medals at the 2010 Summer Youth Olympics. Most of these do not have any coverage except for this one win. While Wikipedia:Notability (sports) does include athletes that won medals at the Olympic Games, but this refers to the adult version. In addition Wikipedia:Notability_%28sports%29#High_school_and_pre-high_school_athletes states that people competing at under-college level should only be deemed notable if there is "substantial and prolonged coverage" Travelbird (talk) 11:21, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

:Hi, just wanted to add that its not just athletes who have won medals at the Olympic Games, but any athlete who has participated at the Olympic Games. ANGCHENRUI WP:MSE♨ 12:26, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

:Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:05, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

  • Keep and comment. Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't we come to a consensus that the Youth Olympics should be treated as a major international amateur event like the Olympics? If we did, then this seems to be an easy keep; if not, it's a delete. Either way, whether we should delete this turns on the results of the last debate. Bds69 (talk) 20:20, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

:Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Courcelles 00:40, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

  • I'm really uncomfortable with this one. It seems a lot of hand-waving equating this person with a medallist in the "normal" Olympics is going on, without regard to the precedent this establishes for lots of stubby articles on children. Can we discuss this, please? Courcelles 00:41, 9 November 2010 (UTC)
  • Delete. I don't agree that the Youth Olympics should be considered "as good as" the Olympics in terms of qualifying its participants for notability. They are inherently a lower level event for younger competitors. As WP:NSPORT says, "Sports figures are presumed notable (except as noted within a specific section) if they ... have participated in a major international amateur or professional competition at the highest level such as the Olympics." The Youth Olympics are not the "highest level" relative to the Olympics. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 05:05, 9 November 2010 (UTC)
  • Frankly, the notability issue is a grey area here, and it also pertains to all Youth Olympic athletes. It is possible to base notability on whether the athlete in question has been noted in publications independent of the organisers. So for example, if say Olli Petra's career or performance was reported (beyond just a few-words mention) in a newspaper, thats it. ANGCHENRUI WP:MSE♨ 11:01, 9 November 2010 (UTC)
  • Comment Senior Olympic athletes are considered inherently notable because they will have - almost invaribly - received significant media coverage before reaching the Olympics and will very often have competed in a range of other high level events prior and after appearing in the Olympics. Therefore such athletes should generally be assumed to be notable.
  • The same however does not apply to junior athletes, a substantial number of which never end up competing at the senior level. Thus it cannot be assumed with the same level of certainty that they will have/ will in the future receive a comparable amount of media coverage and athletic presence that participants at the (senior) Olympics have. Travelbird (talk) 17:46, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

:The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.