Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/On Trial (Upstairs, Downstairs)

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Not notable for its own episode article.Karnataka (talk) 15:27, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Television and United Kingdom. Karnataka (talk) 15:27, 19 July 2023 (UTC)
• Keep The pilot for one of the UK's most beloved and renowned series isn't going to be deleted; certainly needs more sources, but this is actually how an episode article should be rather than a 'type-what-I-see' article. And 'oh BTW delete all the articles for the rest of the show' does not fly as a proper nomination template at all; you'll need to build that nom as suggested on the AfD front page, along with proper notifications. FAIAP, I consider this nomination only applicable to the pilot. Nate • (chatter) 23:48, 19 July 2023 (UTC)
• :Removed that, will nominate another article and add everything into there, correctly informing users involved.
• :You have not explained how this subject is notable, rather shown your sentiment towards the overall subject. Wikipedia is not a database of Upstairs, Downstairs episodes and the only sources provided is IMDb (user generated) and another database of Upstairs Downstairs episodes. How is this notable for an episode article? Karnataka (talk) 06:25, 20 July 2023 (UTC)
• Keep As said, this is the pilot episode of one of ITV's biggest drama series and rather than just outlining the plot and associated information to do with the plot, the article includes other relevant background information. This further enhances its notability. Rillington (talk) 18:24, 20 July 2023 (UTC)
• :And how is this unsourced background information notable? Karnataka (talk) 19:10, 21 July 2023 (UTC)

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Relisting comment: Relisting. This is clearly a notable TV series for Western audiences so it shouldn't be a problem to find sources to establish that it's pilot episode was also notable. But I don't see those sources in the article or in this discussion.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 14:43, 26 July 2023 (UTC)

::I see potential SIGCOV from this book: [https://www.google.co.kr/books/edition/Upstairs_and_Downstairs/qmHiBQAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22On+Trial%22+Upstairs,+Downstairs+-wikipedia&pg=PA56&printsec=frontcover]. Like Liz said, this episode has a good chance of being notable. I'll try to look for more tomorrow. Ca ^{talk to me!} 16:20, 26 July 2023 (UTC)

::Keep, this in a US newspaper [https://books.google.ca/books?id=yW9QAAAAIBAJ&pg=PA9&dq=%22On+Trial%22+Upstairs,+Downstairs&article_id=7025,1210526&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjx9trPmK2AAxWKnokEHQAlAk4Q6AF6BAgHEAI#v=onepage&q=%22On%20Trial%22%20Upstairs%2C%20Downstairs&f=false] not extensive, but a good sized column about the first episode. This review from the New York Times about the episode on video tape in 1985 [https://www.nytimes.com/1985/06/09/arts/home-video-new-cassettes-offbeat-hitchock-tv-s-bellamys-027726.html?searchResultPosition=3]. Oaktree b (talk) 20:18, 26 July 2023 (UTC)

:::This review [https://books.google.ca/books?id=xm9eAAAAIBAJ&pg=PA22&dq=%22On+Trial%22+Upstairs,+Downstairs+-wikipedia&article_id=3754,1672416&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjvqd7Sma2AAxX5kokEHZMdC5EQ6AF6BAgEEAI#v=onepage&q=%22On%20Trial%22%20Upstairs%2C%20Downstairs%20-wikipedia&f=false]. Oaktree b (talk) 20:24, 26 July 2023 (UTC)

• Keep per points above, and sources identified by Ca and Oaktree b. BD2412 T 01:01, 27 July 2023 (UTC)
• Keep – the sources above aren't the best reviews, but they do seem to qualify as significant. As the pilot episode, this may have enough coverage to remain even if other episodes are removed. RunningTiger123 (talk) 01:25, 27 July 2023 (UTC)

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