Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Order of the Saint Queen Tamar

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Another in a series of non-notable faux order articles created by User:Kimon. Only one source other than to that organization's website. No news hits, no Scholar hits, Google search dominated by Wiki mirrors and various heraldry blogs. Fails the GNG. Am open to a redirect to Georgian Legion. Ravenswing 19:00, 3 September 2012 (UTC)

:Note: This debate has been included in the list of Georgia (country)-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 02:33, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

• Delete This along with the other faux Order creations in recent postings. Follows the same fantasy reasoning as the other "Georgian Orders" of late - creating a farcical entity. Fails WP:GNG and is circling WP:HOAX. Яεñ99 (talk) 06:33, 10 September 2012 (UTC)

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:Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

:Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Mark Arsten (talk) 19:34, 10 September 2012 (UTC)

• Do not delete - The Georgian Orders are recognized by ICOC (International Commission for Orders of Chivalry). It is a big mistake. http://www.icocregister.org/2004otherinstitutions.htm danyamp (talk) — Daniamp (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.

:*Comment: Whether a self-appointed commission lists this on its website is beside the point; that no reliable sources discuss the subject in "significant detail" is. Ravenswing 07:48, 14 September 2012 (UTC)

:*Comment: ICOC is the most important authority in the world for the Chivaric Orders. How can you describe this commission as a "self-appointed" one? Do you recognize other authorities, other commissions? Are you an expert in chivarlic orders? danyamp (talk)

::*Reply: It *is* a self-appointed group; they admit so in their own materials. That being said, I advise you familiarize yourself with Wikipedia policies and guidelines regarding notability; WP:GNG, WP:V and WP:ORG are particularly informative links. Ravenswing 21:13, 14 September 2012 (UTC)

::*Reply: So, why don't you delete the wikipedia article regarding the Constantinian Order? Do you know that there are three constantinian orders that think everyone to be the real Order? What do you know of this world? Please, what is your experience in chivalric sciences? danyamp (talk) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.40.153.254 (talk) 21:27, 14 September 2012 (UTC)

• Do not delete - look: http://heraldistas.blogspot.com.es/2012/09/peregrinacion-de-su-alteza-real-el.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.40.156.50 (talk) 17:59, 18 September 2012 (UTC)
• Delete - Absolutely no reliable sources. The only sources in the article itself are to the organization's own website, and to another wikipedia article. Both, of course, are not valid sources. There are absolutely no other sources to be found on this so-called order anywhere else. Rorshacma (talk) 21:22, 10 September 2012 (UTC)

• Delete - this does look like utter nonsense; it could be a hoax, but along with the other articles (now deleted) by the same user, a confused or wishful sense of possibly genealogy-inspired fantasy may be a better explanation. Whatever the cause, the article fails WP:GNG. Chiswick Chap (talk) 22:15, 10 September 2012 (UTC)

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