Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Oshkosh East High School

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Oshkosh East High School no longer is in operation.[http://www.oshkosh.k12.wi.us/] ObiWanKenobi11 (talk) 23:08, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

• Automated comment: This AfD was not correctly transcluded to the log (step 3). I have transcluded it to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Log/2013 December 3. —cyberbot I ^Notify_Online 23:09, 3 December 2013 (UTC)
• Comment. "No longer in operation" is not grounds for deletion, per WP:NTEMP. If the school was sufficiently notable to have an article when it existed, its closing wouldn't change that. The stronger argument for deletion would be that this was a small alternative school and thus perhaps not entitled to the usual presumptions applicable to public high schools. The results of the "News" link above do show some coverage. --Arxiloxos (talk) 23:28, 3 December 2013 (UTC)
• Delete A small school that fails to meet notability guidelines with as far as I can see text, and I agree with Arxilosos above. Fredlyfish4 (talk) 03:19, 4 December 2013 (UTC)

:Note: This debate has been included in the list of Schools-related deletion discussions. Northamerica1000^(talk) 09:28, 4 December 2013 (UTC)

:Note: This debate has been included in the list of Wisconsin-related deletion discussions. Northamerica1000^(talk) 09:28, 4 December 2013 (UTC)

• Delete Thank you for clarifying, Arxiloxos. Yes, this was a small charter school which was cut due to the Oshkosh Area School District's financial issues a couple of years ago. The school wasn't notable enough for an article in the first place, looking at it. --ObiWanKenobi11 (talk) 13:11, 4 December 2013 (UTC)

::Just for the future, as the nominator we automatically assume you want this article deleted, so there is no need to make a bolded "Delete" in front of your statements. Editors should only make a bolded "delete" or "keep" once in a deletion discussion. This makes consensus judging a lot easier, and if editors make multiple 'delete's it makes the consensus appear differently than it actually is. Thanks! Michaelzeng7 (talk) 22:42, 11 December 2013 (UTC)

• Note. Notwithstanding the Cyberbot notice above, this AfD may not have been properly opened. There's currently no notice of this AfD on the article.--Arxiloxos (talk) 15:06, 4 December 2013 (UTC)
• Merge to Oshkosh Area School District or keep. Although this was a small school and apparently didn't last very long, a click of the "News" link above shows that it had substantial coverage during its existence. Most of those sources are paywalled but here is a substantial article about the school: Adam Rodewald, [http://www.thenorthwestern.com/article/20090807/OSH010505/100427196/ "East High School gives students a second chance at success"], Oshkosh Northwestern, April 27, 2010. Deletion is not appropriate. At a minimum, information about this former school should be added to the school district article. --Arxiloxos (talk) 15:15, 4 December 2013 (UTC)
• Keep - alternative high schools are always of interest and likely to be able to be brought into compliance with WP:ORG but needs a local search for sources. I see no benefit to the Project by deletion and WP:BEFORE requires we consider alternatives. By keeping the page it will enable it to be developed , the way that we expand the encyclopaedia, whereas deletion just gives up on it. The Whispering Wind (talk) 19:31, 4 December 2013 (UTC)
• Keep - We routinely preserve articles about small defunct high schools in India; I see no reason why this should be any different. Per The Whispering Wind, high schools are very significant in their respective communities, and can almost always be brought up to meet WP:ORG. In fact, this school isn't really that old. It was established in 2004 and closed sometime in the past 3 years. I'm confident that some fairly recent sources can also be found to write an informative article. Michaelzeng7 (talk) 01:15, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

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:Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

:Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, SarahStierch (talk) 01:27, 10 December 2013 (UTC)

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• Keep It was a public high school, so keep per the consensus of the editing community that legitimate public high schools are notable. So far as GNG is concerned, as references the article has three newspaper articles as references, though they are behind paywall. Notability does not expire when an organization goes out of business or merges. Edison (talk) 22:49, 10 December 2013 (UTC)
• Comment I have taken to improving the article and adding content/references, as it seems the page will be kept. --ObiWanKenobi11 (talk) 03:40, 11 December 2013 (UTC)

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:Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

:Relisting comment - I realize that this is a slightly bureaucratic move, but the nominator didn't put a deletion tag on the page when he or she nominated. I've added the tag and relisted this discussion to keep it open longer, in case editors who don't know about the discussion yet frequently monitor in the article want to participate in it. Michaelzeng7 (talk) 22:30, 11 December 2013 (UTC)

:Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Michaelzeng7 (talk) 22:27, 11 December 2013 (UTC)

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• Keep per precedent for high schools as documented at WP:OUTCOMES#SCHOOLS. The fact that it has closed does not remove its notablity. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 01:01, 13 December 2013 (UTC)
• Keep: Fact that it is closed is not relevant. New York High School has been closed for 182 years.--Milowent • ^hasspoken 06:56, 15 December 2013 (UTC)

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