Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Paige Clark

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Winning a state-level minor beauty pageant does not make someone notable. Dori ☾Talk ☯ Contribs☽ 04:26, 16 August 2012 (UTC)

:Note: This debate has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. 04:35, 16 August 2012 (UTC)

:Note: This debate has been included in the list of Maryland-related deletion discussions. Dori ☾Talk ☯ Contribs☽ 04:35, 16 August 2012 (UTC)

• Weak keep I believe that there is enough to show general notability, I found several refs earlier on GHits. I don't have time tonight, but will look them up tomorrow evening and add them to the article. GregJackP Boomer! 04:42, 16 August 2012 (UTC)
• Speedy delete/Delete. I did a search and just wasn't able to find any real in-depth coverage that would be enough to show notability for her. Most of what I'm finding are a handful of local articles that show up in a search that mention her as a finalist in the one pageant that does have an article, but when clicked upon don't actually exist any more. (The reason I mention this is because there's no way of knowing if it was in-depth of just a brief mention.) I don't see where her pageant wins are so overwhelmingly notable that they merit an article to themselves. There's no mentions of the pageants that she did win at, suggesting that they're pretty much your standard run of the mill pageant that doesn't really get much or any notice. She's just not notable. If she'd placed a little higher I'd suggest redirecting to Miss Maryland Teen USA, but she didn't place high enough to warrant being placed on the page's list. On top of all of this, the page is pretty much written to be a promotional resume for Ms Clark and I've listed a speedy tag because of that. There's just no notability here, not enough to warrant an article. As far as rationales on the article's talk page go, other pageant winners/finalists/whatever having articles doesn't necessarily mean that they have notability either. It might just mean that they hadn't been deleted yet.Tokyogirl79 (talk) 04:56, 16 August 2012 (UTC)

:*I want to re-stress that there's no substantial coverage of the pageant that this girl did win at, which suggests that this isn't very notable. Pageants are pretty much a dime a dozen, with only about 2% of them having any genuine notability. A look at the page [http://www.internationaljuniormiss.com/] suggests that it's the type that anyone can enter at the "state level" meaning that it's not really that Clark had to win her way to that level as much as just that the pageant starts at the state level, something that's actually fairly common with a lot of pageants. Now if Clark wins the USA level, then that might be notable. But for a pageant that starts at state level? Not so much. Besides, a search for her name and "International Junior Miss" doesn't bring up anything in any reliable sources. Plenty of primary sources and advertising by the contestant, though.Tokyogirl79 (talk) 12:42, 16 August 2012 (UTC)

• Comment - since the G11 was overturned, I reopened the AfD and will notify all involved. GregJackP Boomer! 12:30, 16 August 2012 (UTC)
• Delete. I am willing to re-look if more cites showing notability are found, but generally speaking after years of beauty-pageant related AfDs, winninng a minor U.S. state pageant does not qualify as notable. If she won Miss Maryland USA or Miss Maryland, there would be a MUCH better argument (though you'll find that few of those winners actually have articles in practice.) (lastly I am opposed to speedy deletion, the article makes a claim for notability, there's no need to rush things and decrease transparency.)--Milowent • ^hasspoken 12:40, 16 August 2012 (UTC)

:::I quickly created Nana Meriwether, Miss Maryland USA 2012, 1st runner up Miss USA, for comparison purposes. At the major pageants, these are easy bios to create.--Milowent • ^hasspoken 13:54, 16 August 2012 (UTC)

• Delete I reckoned there was probably enough to pass A7, but don't think there's enough to pass real notability. Running a website to do with pageants doesn't add anything to the apparently minor level wins claimed. Peridon (talk) 13:36, 16 August 2012 (UTC)
• Delete: Promotional article apparently created by the subject of the article. According to the article, only "name to fame" is winning one state pageant; this is insufficient to pass Wikipedia:Notability (people). A speedy deletion would be marginal; deletion here is not. HairyWombat 14:49, 16 August 2012 (UTC)

:*Comment On the now deleted talk page of the article, a new user (I don't remember his username off-hand) admitted that he used a second account with her name, but that she was not the editor. I explained to him our socking policy and he said that he wasn't aware and would not do it again. AGF, I dropped it at that point. Anyway, it does not appear to be an autobiography at this time. GregJackP Boomer! 20:14, 16 August 2012 (UTC)

::Comment: I restored the talk page so the comment can be seen now. Rmhermen (talk) 02:24, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

• Delete -- definitely far above a Speedy on both notability and advertising grounds, but a clear lack of GNG pass because of the minor nature of the beauty pageant. -- Michael Scott Cuthbert (talk) 15:13, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

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