Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Pappi Ndelu

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The result was delete Spartaz ^Humbug! 19:52, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

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:{{la|Pappi Ndelu}} ([{{fullurl:Pappi Ndelu|wpReason={{urlencode:AfD discussion: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Pappi Ndelu}}&action=delete}} delete]) – (View AfD)(View log)

Self-promoting article about non-notable singer-songwriter. No references; [http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=Pappi+Ndelu&btnG=Search&meta= Ghits] are almost all Myspace and Facebook. Speedy declined "'signed to Sony and now owner of his own label' sounds enough to me"; however, he was signed to Sony South Africa in 1997 and only released a single; now he is in London and has his own label and his network of companies, but they seem entirely non-notable - no Ghits [http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=%22Pappi+Ndelu+Enterprises+Europe%22&btnG=Search&meta= 1] [http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=%22Azuza+Street+Records%22&btnG=Search&meta= 2] [http://www.google.com/search?ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&sourceid=navclient&gfns=1&q=%22Pappi+Music+Publishing%22 3] except Myspace, directory listings, his own website and Wikipedia. Also, the article is on the spammy side and is a blatant COI, the author being {{user1|Pappimusic}}. Fails WP:MUSIC. Delete. JohnCD (talk) 18:53, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. —Cliff smith ^talk 19:23, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
Delete unless sourced. While I'm willing to believe he's possibly notable – not all African musicians are likely to be listed in web directories, even relatively successful ones – at the moment it's unverifiable. – iride scent 19:09, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
Delete This article reads like a classic fan page. Anyway, subject's notability is not proven with no WP:RS Artene50 (talk) 08:44, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

Update Since this article was AfD'd an IP, presumably the author, has been working very hard on it and there is now more content and a string of references. The article now mentions two albums in South Africa, and a "studio project" called "Jesus is Salvation" with the "12 Funky Disciplez" which was "released digitally globally" last year. I have worked through the references; they are (a) sources from which you can buy his first album "Washa" (b) sources from which you can download "Jesus is Salvation" (c) Myspace and Youtube and (d) a couple that don't mention him. This is a good deal better than the original article, but I still don't think it meets WP:MUSIC#Criteria for musicians and ensembles; in particular, nothing from independent sources. To be fair, I have invited those who have !voted above to have another look. JohnCD (talk) 15:14, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

Comment I still think it edges towards delete; as JohnCD says, I don't think there's enough there yet to warrant a rethink. – iride scent 20:26, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

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