Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Park Joy

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Not notable. Why should I have a User Name? (talk) 18:17, 2 August 2014 (UTC)

• Keep. As per the discussion page:

:S.M. Entertainment is by far the main music producer of Korea. They debut less than one band a year and each new band becomes one of the most successul Korean act (Girl's Generation, Shinee, f(x), Exo, Super Junior are the main SM acts since 2005) with various competition victories. Note that I am not SM-biased; I like quite a few bands from other producers and I personnaly dislike some of SM's bands.

:Anyway, Red Velvet had their first TV performance a couple of days ago and it might take a year before their first victory, but basically, this girl is no indie performer and if this page is deleted, it will be recreated in a matter of months because the group will start to make headlines, the girl will show up in various TV shows or dramas etc... It just makes sense to keep the page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.46.121.200 (talk) 18:32, 2 August 2014 (UTC)

:*Sorry, that's not how we do things: a subject has to be notable before the article. It sounds like you are admitting they are not notable yet. —teb728 t c 23:25, 2 August 2014 (UTC)

::*I totally admit they were not when the page was created indeed. This page was created too soon. But our music industry pace is not their music industry pace. What I meant was that by the time this procedure goes on, they could be notable. And indeed, they are now. Their single is charting at No1 in Korea, they have done several national TV shows and have appeared in numerous press article in national press. Please see the Red Velvet deletion discussion thread for more details. 83.202.52.122 (talk) 08:30, 8 August 2014 (UTC) 90.46.121.200, but my IP got unexpectedly renewed...

• Delete Does not meet WP:ENT.--Rpclod (talk) 18:52, 2 August 2014 (UTC)

:Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. Jinkinson talk to me 21:20, 2 August 2014 (UTC)

:Note: This debate has been included in the list of Korea-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 14:15, 4 August 2014 (UTC)

• Delete agree with TOO SOON. She is not the sole subject of those published works, they were always in conjunction with the group itself. Her performances on those shows was also part of a group. I do not believe she yet deserves a standalone page when her entire history is as yet a stub. She has had zero solo activities thus far. It's just too early. Her entire recognition as an entertainer lies with Red Velvet.Asdklf; (talk) 02:30, 5 August 2014 (UTC)Asdklf;

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:Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

:Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, NorthAmerica¹⁰⁰⁰ 10:52, 10 August 2014 (UTC)

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• Delete Fails WP:MUSICBIO on all fronts - redirect to the group until she launches a career of her own or becomes the primary focus of the group. --Karst (talk) — Preceding undated comment added by Karst (talk • contribs) 11:15, 10 August 2014 (UTC)

:*It is normal that she fails notabilty on all fronts, for she is only 17. Has not had enough time to gain notability (not a famous child actress.) WP:TOOSOON is tailored for her. --Why should I have a User Name? (talk) 07:08, 14 August 2014 (UTC)

• Delete not yet notable. The page can probably be created after she achieves what the other members have, but not now.  SmileBlueJay97  talk  15:40, 14 August 2014 (UTC)

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